Want to know who’s who in the Jeffrey Epstein zoo? Journalists Lisa and Jen bring you the ultimate deep dive. Prince Andrew’s crimes are just the start.We lay it all out.
Hello and welcome to a very special edition of the Prince and the Pervert podcast. I’m Lisa Tait and I’m Jen Tarran, so not only is this the week that the Netflix Epstein documentary comes out, we’ve also made reached a milestone.
Tell everyone, Jen – a hundred thousand 100,000 downloads! We have to thank you all. It’s such an honour to tell this story, isn’t it? It’s an incredible privilege to be involved in this and in some way to get the news out and for our listeners to help us raise awareness of what went on and to help try and get some changing culture, how people view this abuse.
You’re giving us your time. That is so valuable, especially these days as well. People are stressed. The world’s changed a lot, so thank you to everyone, every single set of ears. We appreciate it. Thank you. Now, if you haven’t joined us before because we’ve noticed we’ve got a fair few new listeners since the weekend.
Someone’s done a wonderful shout out for us. We don’t know who it is, but thank you so much for spreading the news about the Prince and the pervert podcast. Do you think it was our husbands? Maybe they recruited some people. Our did they bribe them or possibly handed out money?Who knows?
Now if you haven’t been with us before, there are a couple of things you need to know. Number one, we are Australian and we speak Australian, which means we often speak in ironic terms. That’s true. Swearing is also a national pastime. It’s right up there with beer and cricket, so they will be a small amount of rude words. It’s the Australian English, we swear a bit.
Now Jen and I are bitches from way back guys and we will mock the criminals in this case, but never ever, ever the victims. We’ve also given Ghislaine Maxwell, a very rude nickname but there’s nothing funny about this case.
We use gallows humor to cope with the bleak reality. Gallows Humour is an Australian thing. We have to laugh at the world. We have to laugh at our environment that’s trying to kill us all the time. Again, it’s kind of a convict thing, isn’t it? Definitely.
And we’re going to be reviewing all four episodes this week. The first one is going to be with our American friends, Bobby Capucci, and if you don’t listen to him, you should he’s from the Jeffrey Epstein show and also Rachael O’Brien. She’s a comedian, but she’s also a very smart lady who on her podcast, and I’ll put a link in the notes to it because I always stuff up the name of her podcast. Apologies Rachael. She’s done a few Epstein episodes, so you need to listen to those as well. So they’re going to be speaking to us and I think with Rachel and Bobby, it’s like 1:00 AM their time.
They’re going above and beyond aren’t they for it? Yeah, they’re awesome. Both of them. But that’s the thing about this case.
Now, what I’m talking about today is going to be 11 shocking moments for Netflix’s Jeffrey Epstein. I have purposely not watched any of the previews, so you’re going to hear my reactions as Lisa talks. I have, I’m out write writes already, but more about that later.
Now Jen, what are you talking about? Well the other day there was news going around about the search for Epstein heirs and so I went diving cause something just smelled a little bit fishy. More of that later. I’m also talking about Prince Andrew and I love this story. He hasn’t had a good six months and a journalist has actually cataloged all those things. Oh wow. I’m happy about that. And also this week a publication may not be about him, I don’t know.
Probably is Prince Andrew the end of the monarchy and Epstein. So thank you. The daily beast for those two juicy articles. That’s wonderful. And I’m going to briefly touch on juice line, trying to get some a case drop or moved to a jurisdiction where the laws aren’t as tough. I forgot to say just stone you did.
Now, one of our lovely listeners, her name is Courtney Langley, she’s written about her experiences in a boarding school in Michigan called Interlochen S. I’m sorry if I got that wrong, whereas Australian, we mispronounced everything, so it’s also a world renowned arts Academy and she’s written an article that she sent through to me today about her times at that school and Epstein. Now I’m going to put a link in the notes, but I will read some of it out, but certainly this arts Academy, if you think you’ve gotten away with your association with Epstein and Shalane Maxwell, you haven’t, this is where I start.
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11 shocking moments from Netflix’s Jeffrey Epstein.
Put your fingers in your ears, Jen. No, no. I’ll listen to this. Okay, this is fine. Now, out of that 11 one of them is wrong and the report says it starts with commentary from Vicky ward. Boom, that journalists tasked in 2003 with writing a profile of Epstein to vanity fair that she soon realized was shaping up to be more of a society story. What more than a society story only to be thwarted by her own editor in chief. Wrong, wrong, wrong. So according to Maria Farmer, the first person to go to the FBI about Epstein and coach Maria Farmer said ward had allegedly revealed to the sex offenders henchwomen Ghislaine Maxwell Jews Stein that she and her sister Annie had about Epstein and Maxwell to the FBI. Now Jalane told Maria this, the sisters then received death threats, I think from Maxwell, Jews and Maria Farmer spent years in hiding due to threats to her life made by Maxwell.
Now Ms. Farmer also claims that recently she’s been allegedly harassed by Vicky Ward, the journalist. She added that her family had to send a cease and desist warning to the reporter who was trying to get Maria to submit to another interview, even though she didn’t run the last one they did in 2003 so the story went up, but nothing about Maria and any farmer. So Vicky’s just trying to cash in again. Is that, what do you think she’s trying to justify herself from the conversations I’ve had with Maria, I think she feels bad about what’s happened in the past, but not too bad because I’ve got some photos here and there on our Jeffrey Epstein website. Jeffrey Epstein, podcast.com and she’s in photos here with Jalane Maxwell in 2008 and 2009 who was in jail in 2009 Epstein himself. So I don’t know what’s going on there.
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Vicky ward, and I’ve reached out to a bit. I’ve had absolutely no response and she’s blocked me on Instagram. Oh really? Yeah. This is Maria. She’s the first line source. This is what she thinks. I think Vicky ward needs to talk about it, but she was friendly with Jalane after all these, when she knew what everyone, you know what Epstein was up to? He was in jail now Maria said, I think this sums it up. I had to run from one hillbilly town to another while Vicky ward lived in luxury truth, truth. Now what do you got there? Okay. So there was a whole heap of news articles floating around yesterday about his, and this guy was saying that they’re collecting information come forward if you’ve got children fathered allegedly by children. Grandchildren were mentioned guy called Moss, could Jeffrey Epstein have children? So most genealogical services put out something last year on August the 13th so I found that in a Google search, but they popped up again this week just yesterday actually.
And the guy who owns the place was quoted in the sun and other publications about it. So I went digging and what did I find flooding around on Twitter was all these links to a story about Jeffrey Epstein has EHRs out there who should be coming forward to claim on the estate and he was saying that they’ve received, you know, hundreds of applications already. Now the website that everybody’s supposed to go to is known as Epstein is.com and it says here on the main page, our approach at law firm, we specialize in bringing the law to your corner. We are dedicated to understanding what results you
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want and to helping you understand what actions we take on your behalf. I they need a sub editor, don’t they? Well not even that. The need some basic English instruction. We will work with you every step of the way to make sure that you understand the choices you are making and feel empowered to make. Every morning our legal team has a meeting to discuss our cases. This means that no matter who you go with in our firm, the expertise of the whole team weighs in on your case. So I had a look at their team. We have Patricia pay, just one initial for the surname. She’s a partner, a graduate from Hastings. She’s our resident expert in business litigation. When you need your business protected, she’s who you want in your corner. Now the next person is Patty P attorney and then there’s a paralegal cord, Pat P. So we’ve got Patricia, Patty, and Pat all with the same initial Blas name. I said, what’s going on? So I did some more digging and found out when it was registered. The 10th of August, 2019 now does that date ring a bell?
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Was that after the night that he killed himself?
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Yes. It was allegedly allegedly killed himself? Yes. The 10th of August is noted as Epstein’s dead die.
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Can I bring up something kind of related to this? Cool. Recently I thought maybe I’ll try and buy Jalane Maxwell the domain name because legally we can in Australia, because it relates to our work. They want it $2,000 it’s up the top there. Wow. So go on.
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They grabbed it on the day he died and it’s registered to more gene analogical services LLC. Now that fits with the guy who was talking in the news articles about hunting down the the heirs. Have they been hacked or they’re just not good at it? Well that’s the thing. They could have been hacked. So I went digging further, both the Moss legit company and this Epstein is have the same addresses, the same contact numbers, phone numbers listed on the website and similar email submission forms. So I’m pretty sure it’s run by the same firm. I went and had a look at the Morse company website, which is find an air F I, N a N, H, E, I R. Dot com. Interesting stuff there. They leave no stone unturned. They will search down people who are climates in an estate or have money sitting there waiting for them.
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They even have funeral home finders fees. They will pay funeral homes to tip them off about like this. They can swoop in and help. Okay, so would they be able to find Shalane Maxwell forests? Well, I’m thinking we should ask. We’ll send off an email. So this is from their website. Notify us of cases with missing is time is of the essence. In doing so, even before any probate proceeding is even filed, there is no need to wait for the appointment of an attorney or the commitments of a formless state. If you have reason to believe that the deceased person in your care, this is two funeral homes, mind you may have an estate of some financial value. Two missing is be it found cash. Real estate stocks, bonds, bank accounts, valuable assets, or by your own personal knowledge, simply contact us. Someone is going to earn a finder’s fee and it might as well be you.
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Well, that’s unethical in my opinion. So they’re behind the Epstein ears. Now, we’ve talked about this so many times on the pot. Where are the children? If he was having, and as we know from the survivors statements, unprotected six, two to three more times a day, and you should see Lisa’s face at the moment. Horrified. They should have been slip-ups but we’ve heard absolutely not even a rumor about any children. Maybe that’s why he was interested in DNA and genetic modification and the, you know, the Zorro baby ranch, maybe he couldn’t have children. So this is going to be interesting. Now Virginia Robbins had something to say and she knew him, obviously is one of the survivors. Well, Maria did to some, Maria wrote on Twitter yesterday. There are no bio kids. I would bet anything. These are probably scoundrels already and bloom have unearthed. Hey, by the way, they’re lawyers representing some of the women.
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Hey, as in Epstein was so controlling and selective that it would not be a secret. I know he wanted to use Annie and Virginia for such, so creepy. There you have it. One of the survivors is saying no and then she follows it up a little bit lighter. Yes. Yet there are no kids. It would shock me more than anything if he let this occur. He was a control freak. It really just serves to hurt the survivors when the sensationalist startups with things like this. Also, I think he only mentioned kids to, to survivors, so that’s interesting. Is someone out for a bit of fame possibly trying to pick up some money, a grifter jumping onto the case. We keep seeing this everywhere as our friend Eduardo would say, these people are bottom dwelling filter fish basically who will pay a finder’s fee to funeral homes? Hi, it’s Lisa here. Do you want to help us produce the Prince in the pervert podcast? One of our kind listeners has been asking
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how they can support us. So we’ve started a Patrion account, which not only benefits you in terms of extra content and exclusive content, it also helps us just cover our costs. At the end of the day, this is a labor of love and we’re determined to follow the case until the end. These women absolutely matter. That’s why we’re doing this work and we are all in this together. Details of the Patrion account are in the show notes. Thank you. Now, Prince Andrew, according to the daily beast, shock horror, he has not had a good six months, but you like this even more, but can it get worse in Andrew’s case? Yes. Good. Now that new book that’s coming out and the new Netflix series now, then it’s not just one. There’s three. Okay, so there’s one by investigation discovery now that’s coming to Australia on June nine and then there is a lifetime documentary and I can’t find a date on it.
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We’ll hump it down. We’ll put it up on the website. Jeffrey Epstein, podcast.com I forgot to say something. Happy Memorial day, people in America and happy mrs cappuccino birthday. Oh yes. Bobby’s mom. It’s her birthday. Good on your mrs Capucci. Now getting back to it, it looks like things are going to get worse. The first round of criticism looks set to emerge from the allegations of this Netflix show. Jeffrey Epstein, filthy rich and you know what it is. It’s that guy that’s come out before who worked on the computer systems there for short time. He swears he solved Virginia with Prince Andrew. That’s the 70 year old ish bloke. Yeah. He has nothing to gain. No nothing to lose by coming forward. So he said it was around 2004 I saw Prince Andrew. He was at the pool he was with at that time an unknown girl to me.
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She was young. She didn’t have any top on. He was grabbing her and grinding against her. That’s disgusting. Seriously, this week it’s going to be intense. I get really strongly personally affected. So when we read the books, I kind of, I’m sorry, but sometimes I have to skip through the abuse and we also won’t refer to certain things with the common nicknames they use, like everybody calls his jet, the LA something or other express, we won’t call it that name and also Shalane jeez stone. It’s not a Madam, because these girls were under age, they couldn’t consent to Epstein and their other friends, whoever they were, and the older women, they were trafficked. They were tricked into this so they couldn’t consent either. So no Madam, and it’s not sex, it’s rape. Now, Andrew’s denied any accusations of inappropriate behavior, but he is inappropriate. He gets up in the morning and he breads and I find that offensive and inappropriate.
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Apparently the queen is not going to let her favorite sons staff, but it doesn’t look good. And the book’s coming out now by Nigel Cawthorne in Telford, Prince Andrew, the end of the monarchy and Epstein. Nicole thorn told the daily beast the queen is not going to let him stop obviously, but I don’t think he’s going to be able to show his face publicly ever again. The FBI has made it clear they’re interested in him. We know that and they’re hoping that Shalane Maxwell will be given a choice snitch on him or spend the rest of your life in jail. I want her to do both. Now we know Andrew better stay away from the U S but I think he’s got, what’d they call it? Diplomatic immunity. There’s been a lot of talk whether or not he’s actually covered by that because he’s not working as a diplomat.
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He was in trade ambassador when he was traveling, but he wasn’t a diplomat. Hmm. That’s very interesting. The author of the book finds Andrew’s denials, even culpability or knowledge. Unbelievable. I think everyone does. There’s still some men out there on Twitter who go, Oh, you can’t prove anything, and it’s like you have statements from the survivor. You have sources who have witnessed this, who don’t have a link to the survivor who don’t have anything to gain or lose by coming forward. There’s photographs, there is evidence and he was obviously completely flustered and gave a fake excuse about where he was that night. And Andrew, yes he did. Lie said he was at pizza express and that it couldn’t have been him because he doesn’t sweat because of the Falklands war. Ah, well my husband went to East Timor. I wonder if he has it. We’ve all seen the photos of Prince Andrew from that time running into, I think it’s a blue shirt, a Sean Brown shirt with nice big sweat stains.
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So and kind of semi grinding up, you know that photo with the blonde girl and the French Riviera. Oh, it was awful. He is Ray vaulting. Just be a human and come forward. Enter. Now I’m just going to talk quickly about Courtney. So Interlochen is a world renowned arts Academy and she said she’s absolutely shocked that they’re saying Epstein never had unsupervised access to students under their policies. Now. I used to work in the past as a crisis and issues manager. Why do these people lie? I never ever, ever told a client to lie. It’s not in their best interest. It’s the same with the New York Academy of art and Island. Guggenheim. Tell the truth. Beg for forgiveness. Don’t perpetuate the lies that are around this case. Don’t dig yourself into a bigger hole. Well wakes. Charge them for that information. By the way, free counsel from Lisa and Jen, that’s 600 Australian dollars.
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Thank you, Courtney. Over the last year, she’s come to understand the spin factor. Institutions like Interlochen use to defend a larger narrative, a narrative that exploits vulnerability and beauty. It’s taken me years to comprehend what I went through as a young female artist, how it shaped my experiences later in life and the hopelessness I sometimes felt so Epstein was a donor from 1990 to 2003 culpability. There for a start does not look good. Don’t lie in all. He contributed a little under half a million. That’s how much people’s morals can be bought for half a million dollars. I couldn’t be bought for that. No. He even funded the construction of a cabin. You ready for this on campus? Situated near the junior girls cabins called Epstein lodge, which they’ve since renamed GreenLake lodge with their cameras in it, but they were, the road names have been changed.
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They’ve scrubbed all traces of his donations as well. So she’s found photos of herself on the internet where they had her in a school production dressed as a prostitute in a tight purple leotard contorting on stage. Oh, the poor thing. So the statement they made that there’s no record, he had any contact following his arrest in 2007 not the point. We’re talking 1990 to 2003 now there’s another girl, I’ll have to look this up, who has made similar allegations about Shalane and Epstein basically stalking her out there lurking. So she said many things don’t add up and into lock-ins. Former vice president says Epstein stayed at the lodge at least twice. Flight logs show Epstein visited traverse city. That must be where the school is with Jalane Maxwell. A few months after my own graduation in 1999 Melissa Solomon puts him on the campus in the summer of 1994 she was the South African cellist.
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This is the case. And she had an unsettling account of a scholarship she received from Epstein and Jalane. So lots of questions to ask and I’m going to ask some the link to Courtney’s story. I’ll put in the show notes because she contacted me and said, this is my story. What should I do? And I said, write for medium. It’s your story, your voice. And then I said we would push it out on our socials. Incredibly Bray. Thank you. Yes, thank you for sharing. It’s important because a lot of people don’t realize how many places he had tentacles in. And now look at 1994 that’s pretty close to when I was in high school. Uh, it’s disturbing. Well that’s it from us today. We will be back tomorrow or quickly. I’ll just bring up the just stain. Okay. She wanted a civil law suit. That ledger, she committed sexual battery against
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a teenage girl. Now that teenage girl is any farmer, the little sister of Maria Farmer, now she wanted it or dropped or moved to New Mexico, but listen to Bobby Capucci, he’s got the goods on this New Mexico has a different statute of limitations so she tried to, you know, get it delayed or dropped and moved. But no, they have agreed to delay it for a while and I suppose just Dane is loving the fact covert on and she doesn’t have to have an excuse not to turn up in person. So Bobby compute, she’s got that covered. You put links on the website as well? Yes. So go and catch up with that one.
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Jen and I will be back tomorrow. We’re going to review with Bobby and Rachel the first episode of filthy rich on Netflix and then we will do the others. We’ve got Dan proud men, a crime journalist joining us. He’s another Australian. So you’ll probably get three or so episodes from us this week.
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We’re not going to slate, but we haven’t been sleeping anyway for the past week. So much has gone on.
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Yes, exactly. We’ve been very busy, but thank you so much for your time and listening to us confined all this information on our website. Jeffrey Epstein, podcast.com I’m on Twitter at Lisa podcasts and I’m on Twitter at Oh, really? Truly. We’ve got a Facebook group called Epstein news. Come and join us and we’re also on Instagram and YouTube,
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but if you want to ask us any question, just go join the Facebook group. Might comment, find us on Twitter and if another survivor and want help getting the news out or finding who to turn to come to us.
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Yes. As I said to you, this has been one of the big honors of my life to be able to report on this story. We do it as a labor of love. Don’t you think
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it’s changed my outlook on the world a lot. It’s made me upset about the human race, but also watching the survivors. It’s made me really hopeful.
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Yes, me too. Oh, yes, it’s me too. All right, thanks everyone. We’ll catch you tomorrow. Bye.