Moreover, what was he doing at a Matthew Williamson catwalk show in Moscow? Oh yes, he was the UK special representative for trade. How convenient. This is the role that had him tagged as Air Miles Andy.
According to another English fashion designer, Jenny Packham, the Royal demanded she attend a VIP reception where he was holding court alone with young Russian models.
Article from The Daily Telegraph May 8, 2004Andrew’s 2004 appearance in Moscow at Russian Fashion Week. “Ogling Andy” story from The Evening Standard, November, 2004
Maxwell Found Guilty: From the throne room at Buckingham Palace to being found guilty of sex trafficking, it is an epic fall for British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.
The British socialite was accused of being financier Jeffrey Epstein’s co-conspirator. She denied all charges.
Maxwell Found Guilty
During the trial, the government alleged: “Ghislaine Maxwell made her own choices. She committed crimes hand in hand with Jeffrey Epstein. She was a grown woman who knew exactly what she was doing.”
The charges alleged the sexual exploitation of girls as young as 14.
According to ABC News: ”As the verdict was read, Maxwell appeared to show little reaction behind a black mask. She stood with her hands folded as the jury filed out, and glanced at her siblings as she herself was led from the courtroom.
During the trial, prosecutors called 24 witnesses to give jurors a picture of life inside Epstein’s homes — a subject of public fascination and speculation ever since his 2006 arrest in Florida in a child sex case.“
There were four women in court who testified about abuse as teenagers in the 1990s and early 2000s at Epstein’s homes in Florida, New York and New Mexico. One incident occurred in Maxwell’s townhome in London.
The women who spent years fighting in courts to hold the multimillionaire Maxwell accountable have spent decades fighting for justice.
The guilty verdicts in Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial represent the culmination of prolonged and dramatic disgrace for a woman who once roamed the world amid lavish homes.
As well, she networked with actors, billionaires, politicians and royals.
Moreover, the Manhattan courtroom verdict could also herald the beginning of a new chapter in the #MeToo movement.
Maxwell Found Guilty
Watch this space: Maxwell quoted in an interview in The Philadelphia Daily News, early 1990s.
Sex offenders cannot assume they will not be prosecuted and they must now the possibility of being dragged to court and jailed for life.
Transcript: The Epic Fall of Ghislaine Maxwell: The Prince and the Pervert Podcast
A global criminal conspiracy, a jailed socialite and a billionaire, who may or may not have been murdered. Welcome to the world of the Jeffrey Epstein, the Prince and the Pervert Podcast. Journalists Lisa and Jen bring you the ultimate deep dive.
My soul yearned for justice for years, and today the jury gave me just that. I will remember this day, always having lived with the horrors of Maxwell’s abuse. My heart goes out to the many other girls and young women who suffered at her hands and whose life she destroyed. I hope that today is not the end, but rather another step in justice being served. Maxwell did not act alone. Others must be held accountable. I have faith that they will be.
My soul yearned for justice for year and today the jury gave me just that. I will remember this day, always having lived with the horrors of Maxwell’s abuse. My heart goes out to the many other girls and young women who suffered at her hands and whose life she destroyed. I hope that today is not the end, but rather another step in justice being served. Maxwell did not act alone. Others must be held accountable. I have faith that they will be.
Virginia Giuffre
Maxwell Found Guilty Hello, My name is Lisa.
19 00:00:59,170 –> 00:01:01,930 Welcome to the Prince and the pervert podcast.
20 00:01:01,940 –> 00:01:06,630 Joining me today on this amazing day is my co host,
21 00:01:06,630 –> 00:01:07,600 Jen Tarran
22 00:01:07,600 –> 00:01:13,920 and we are both journalists who’ve been following the Jeffrey Epstein criminal conspiracy for more than two years.
23 00:01:13,930 –> 00:01:14,620 Hello,
24 00:01:14,620 –> 00:01:15,150 Jen.
25 00:01:15,740 –> 00:01:17,490 I’m sorry if I sound a bit tired.
26 00:01:17,500 –> 00:01:22,850 Of course I did the full overnight shift and just got into bed when Lisa rang to say,
27 00:01:22,860 –> 00:01:24,210 I’ve just had the tip off.
28 00:01:24,220 –> 00:01:25,820 The jury is coming back in.
29 00:01:25,830 –> 00:01:27,180 It was quite unexpected.
30 00:01:27,180 –> 00:01:28,610 It’s been a long process,
31 00:01:28,610 –> 00:01:30,760 but they wanted to make sure they got it right.
32 00:01:31,040 –> 00:01:41,990 Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of sex trafficking for Jeffrey Epstein and from the throne room at Buckingham Palace to being found guilty of sex trafficking.
33 00:01:42,000 –> 00:01:42,410 Jan.
34 00:01:42,410 –> 00:01:46,850 It’s certainly been an epic fall for the British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.
35 00:01:47,340 –> 00:01:53,250 She was found guilty on five of the six charges that she faced trial for.
36 00:01:53,740 –> 00:01:54,760 It’s a brilliant,
37 00:01:54,770 –> 00:01:56,160 brilliant result.
38 00:01:56,170 –> 00:01:57,790 Absolutely it is.
39 00:01:57,790 –> 00:01:59,500 But it’s just the beginning.
40 00:01:59,500 –> 00:02:05,020 We have Prince Andrew in the spotlight early next month in his civil case with Virginia Giuffre,
41 00:02:05,110 –> 00:02:07,670 who is one of the whistleblowers in this case.
42 00:02:07,720 –> 00:02:08,120 Now,
43 00:02:08,130 –> 00:02:09,530 as part of this trial,
44 00:02:09,540 –> 00:02:18,550 none of the witnesses for the government were offered any plea deals to those who came forward for the prosecution as witnesses.
45 00:02:18,700 –> 00:02:21,880 I’m not saying there will be extra charges,
46 00:02:22,060 –> 00:02:24,770 but we assume there will be well.
47 00:02:24,770 –> 00:02:31,430 Virginia said in her statement that she is hopeful justice will be done in the future because don’t forget,
48 00:02:31,440 –> 00:02:32,450 there’s Prince Andrew.
49 00:02:32,460 –> 00:02:36,970 There’s also a civil case of Virginia has brought against Alan Dershowitz,
50 00:02:36,980 –> 00:02:38,460 the Harvard law professor.
51 00:02:39,140 –> 00:02:40,660 This is more than a win.
52 00:02:41,340 –> 00:02:48,980 This is confirmation and validation of these survivor stories of what they went through over the years,
53 00:02:48,990 –> 00:02:50,790 when people call them fantasies.
54 00:02:50,820 –> 00:02:56,750 When people dismiss them as money grubbing whatever which was aligned the defence took,
55 00:02:56,750 –> 00:02:57,720 that was for sure.
56 00:02:57,840 –> 00:02:59,710 It’s given them validation.
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57 00:02:59,720 –> 00:03:02,190 These things did happen to them.
58 00:03:02,440 –> 00:03:07,100 I have a statement here from the Department of Justice from the Southern District of New York,
59 00:03:07,110 –> 00:03:10,980 and we have U S attorney Damien Williams on the verdict,
60 00:03:10,990 –> 00:03:11,630 he said.
61 00:03:11,640 –> 00:03:17,310 A unanimous jury has found Ghislaine Maxwell guilty of one of the worst crimes imaginable.
62 00:03:17,420 –> 00:03:21,360 Facilitating and participating in the sexual abuse of Children,
63 00:03:21,360 –> 00:03:25,330 crimes that she committed with her longtime partner and co conspirator,
64 00:03:25,330 –> 00:03:26,470 Jeffrey Epstein.
65 00:03:26,480 –> 00:03:29,680 The road to justice has been far too long now,
66 00:03:29,680 –> 00:03:30,000 Jen.
67 00:03:30,000 –> 00:03:39,460 That’s what you were saying because some of these girls were called prostitutes by their own government back in the days of Epstein’s plea deal in 2000 and eight.
68 00:03:39,840 –> 00:03:40,600 That’s right.
69 00:03:40,610 –> 00:03:42,760 They’ve had a formal apology since,
70 00:03:42,770 –> 00:03:48,010 but that word has been used in headlines around the world now,
71 00:03:48,010 –> 00:03:51,430 Damien Williams says I want to commend the bravery of the girls,
72 00:03:51,440 –> 00:03:55,750 now grown women who stepped out of the shadows and into the courtroom.
73 00:03:55,760 –> 00:03:59,670 Now I cannot imagine what they went through on that stand,
74 00:03:59,680 –> 00:04:05,020 considering there were two particular lawyers for Ghislaine Maxwell who absolutely hammered them.
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75 00:04:05,030 –> 00:04:06,590 I know it was their job,
76 00:04:06,600 –> 00:04:09,130 but it was an extremely poor taste.
77 00:04:09,230 –> 00:04:10,270 Interestingly,
78 00:04:10,270 –> 00:04:10,600 Jen,
79 00:04:10,600 –> 00:04:14,370 those two lawyers had nothing to say for themselves this afternoon,
80 00:04:14,620 –> 00:04:19,810 and those two lawyers consistently docks these victims.
81 00:04:19,820 –> 00:04:21,650 They used real names and,
82 00:04:21,650 –> 00:04:22,420 in one case,
83 00:04:22,420 –> 00:04:24,610 one of Ghislaine’s legal team.
84 00:04:24,610 –> 00:04:27,040 Jeffrey Pagilucia to or Pag,
85 00:04:27,040 –> 00:04:28,560 as I prefer to call him,
86 00:04:28,640 –> 00:04:31,510 was warned about using a real name,
87 00:04:31,520 –> 00:04:36,160 and the next sentence out of his mouth was yet another real name.
88 00:04:36,170 –> 00:04:41,750 He didn’t show any respect to these women or the witnesses who were using a pseudonym.
89 00:04:42,140 –> 00:04:42,400 Yes,
90 00:04:42,400 –> 00:04:44,210 you’re bringing up an excellent point there,
91 00:04:44,210 –> 00:04:44,610 Jen,
92 00:04:44,620 –> 00:04:48,660 because I think society has moved ahead of some people in the legal profession.
93 00:04:48,670 –> 00:04:50,800 Another of Ghislaine’s lawyers,
94 00:04:50,810 –> 00:04:51,440 Laura Meningher ,
95 00:04:51,440 –> 00:04:51,890 injure.
96 00:04:51,900 –> 00:05:03,490 She was described to the first survivor Jane as a C bomb because she hammered and hammered and hammered her so they’ll be back.
97 00:05:03,490 –> 00:05:06,750 He has been with Ghislaine for a very long time,
98 00:05:07,240 –> 00:05:08,420 as has Manager.
99 00:05:08,430 –> 00:05:18,010 They both were involved in the Civil Defamation suit that Virginia Giuffre A brought against Maxwell back in 2000 and 15.
101 00:05:19,560 –> 00:05:21,330 I’m glad they’ve shut up for once.
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102 00:05:21,570 –> 00:05:22,960 It’s about time,
103 00:05:23,040 –> 00:05:24,980 so they look quite disappointed,
104 00:05:24,980 –> 00:05:27,960 according to Josie Ensor of The Telegraph.
105 00:05:28,840 –> 00:05:29,120 Well,
106 00:05:29,120 –> 00:05:32,030 so did Maxwell when the jury was brought back in.
107 00:05:32,040 –> 00:05:36,280 And I’m compiling what happened in the courtroom from various sources,
108 00:05:36,290 –> 00:05:38,080 including Josie Julie K.
109 00:05:38,080 –> 00:05:38,870 Brown,
110 00:05:38,880 –> 00:05:41,490 the wonderful Matthew from Inner City Press as well.
111 00:05:41,500 –> 00:05:43,560 When the jury filed in,
112 00:05:43,570 –> 00:05:46,890 Maxwell did not look at them when they had to stand up.
113 00:05:46,890 –> 00:05:48,080 She was a bit shaky.
114 00:05:48,090 –> 00:05:49,660 She was sipping on water,
115 00:05:49,740 –> 00:05:50,490 and then,
116 00:05:50,500 –> 00:05:53,120 when the verdict was finally read out,
117 00:05:53,130 –> 00:05:53,980 she didn’t cry.
118 00:05:53,980 –> 00:05:54,990 There were no tears,
119 00:05:54,990 –> 00:05:57,470 but she slumped in her seat,
120 00:05:57,530 –> 00:05:59,040 and then Bobby Sternheim.
121 00:05:59,110 –> 00:06:04,710 One of her other long term lawyers put an arm around her shoulder as she was sent out the room.
122 00:06:04,720 –> 00:06:07,590 I’ve also heard that Bobby didn’t look too good.
123 00:06:07,600 –> 00:06:09,860 Neither did Leah Saffian,
124 00:06:09,940 –> 00:06:13,850 who isn’t one of the legal defence team.
125 00:06:13,860 –> 00:06:16,360 It was there every day.
126 00:06:16,370 –> 00:06:25,500 Now she was one of the lawyers who helped Ghislaine’s brothers when they were in all that financial trouble in the UK following their father’s fraudulent activities.
127 00:06:25,510 –> 00:06:27,550 Now this is all on our website,
128 00:06:27,740 –> 00:06:29,650 and if it’s the first time you’ve listened,
130 00:06:32,930 –> 00:06:47,720 It’s all there certainly is now Leah Saffian and was also involved in setting up that Come and Get Me or Come and Find Me photo at the in and out Burger Joint in LA just after Jeffrey Epstein died in custody.
131 00:06:47,730 –> 00:06:48,060 Yes,
132 00:06:48,060 –> 00:06:48,710 that’s right.
133 00:06:48,710 –> 00:06:53,860 Dylan was in that photo at In and Out Burger with a book about spying in the CIA.
134 00:06:53,870 –> 00:06:56,240 They think they’re so much smarter than everyone else,
135 00:06:56,240 –> 00:06:56,850 don’t they?
136 00:06:57,140 –> 00:07:01,010 There’s been a lot of conjecture about why Leah is in there.
137 00:07:01,020 –> 00:07:13,960 She was even there on the charging Saturday when the government and the defence teams joined with the judge to hammer out the charge sheet that will be read to the jury Before they went into deliberations.
138 00:07:14,640 –> 00:07:16,880 She was constantly on her phone.
139 00:07:16,890 –> 00:07:19,830 She was sitting with the defence on her phone.
140 00:07:19,920 –> 00:07:23,430 She hadn’t been docketed as part of her defence team,
141 00:07:23,430 –> 00:07:26,760 so there are a lot of questions about why she was there,
142 00:07:26,770 –> 00:07:28,900 why she was so close to Ghislaine,
143 00:07:28,910 –> 00:07:34,760 why she was showing her phone to Ghislaine and other family members during the trial.
144 00:07:35,440 –> 00:07:45,220 It’s my belief that she was looking at the social media trying to gauge the perception out there and that she is already working on the appeal.
145 00:07:45,230 –> 00:07:51,360 And I believe it will centre that the jury weren’t given correct instructions by the judge,
146 00:07:51,370 –> 00:07:56,900 which will go down rather well with Judge Nathan and also media interference.
147 00:07:56,910 –> 00:07:58,610 Interesting that you say that,
148 00:07:58,610 –> 00:07:58,820 Jen,
149 00:07:58,820 –> 00:08:01,620 because there was a statement by Maxwell’s family.
150 00:08:01,630 –> 00:08:04,050 We believe firmly in our sister’s innocence,
151 00:08:04,050 –> 00:08:06,110 and we are very disappointed with the verdict.
152 00:08:06,120 –> 00:08:08,220 We have already started the appeal tonight,
153 00:08:08,220 –> 00:08:11,600 and we believe that she will ultimately be vindicated.
154 00:08:11,610 –> 00:08:12,860 Oh bugger off,
155 00:08:13,040 –> 00:08:13,990 insufferable.
156 00:08:13,990 –> 00:08:15,650 That is so insufferable.
157 00:08:15,740 –> 00:08:17,950 But it’s also imperious as well.
158 00:08:17,960 –> 00:08:19,040 Absolutely,
159 00:08:19,050 –> 00:08:19,550 really.
160 00:08:19,940 –> 00:08:22,060 Oh triggers my anger.
161 00:08:22,070 –> 00:08:22,790 Okay,
162 00:08:22,800 –> 00:08:24,220 now the verdict.
163 00:08:24,230 –> 00:08:26,550 She was found guilty on Count one,
164 00:08:26,550 –> 00:08:37,960 which was conspiracy to entice individuals under the age of 17 to travel in interstate commerce with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
165 00:08:38,340 –> 00:08:38,960 Guilty,
166 00:08:39,940 –> 00:08:52,560 I’m going to skip to count three conspiracy to transport individuals under the age of 17 to travel in interstate commerce with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
167 00:08:53,140 –> 00:08:59,300 Guilty count for transportation of an individual under the age of 17.
168 00:08:59,360 –> 00:08:59,950 Jane.
169 00:08:59,960 –> 00:09:04,190 Only with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
170 00:09:04,430 –> 00:09:06,270 Guilty count.
171 00:09:06,270 –> 00:09:06,890 Five.
172 00:09:06,900 –> 00:09:11,960 Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of individuals under the age of 18.
173 00:09:12,540 –> 00:09:14,000 Guilty count.
174 00:09:14,000 –> 00:09:14,630 Six.
175 00:09:14,840 –> 00:09:19,050 Sex trafficking of an individual under the age of 18.
176 00:09:19,080 –> 00:09:21,490 Caroline only guilty.
177 00:09:21,730 –> 00:09:23,170 Now that’s the big one.
178 00:09:23,440 –> 00:09:28,200 That count alone carries a maximum of 40 years in prison.
179 00:09:28,330 –> 00:09:32,340 The only count she wasn’t found guilty on was count,
180 00:09:32,350 –> 00:09:37,230 too enticement of an individual under the age of 17.
181 00:09:37,240 –> 00:09:38,020 Jane.
182 00:09:38,030 –> 00:09:46,360 Only now that was the first survivor to travel with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
183 00:09:47,140 –> 00:09:52,210 So even though count to she was found not guilty and that was to do with J,
184 00:09:52,220 –> 00:09:57,660 she was found guilty of the other count to do with just J.
185 00:09:58,040 –> 00:10:00,460 So Jane has been vindicated in this.
186 00:10:01,540 –> 00:10:09,050 Now the various news organisations have already hit saying anywhere between 30 years in jail to 50 years in jail.
187 00:10:09,060 –> 00:10:11,330 But we won’t know until sentencing,
188 00:10:11,340 –> 00:10:13,660 which could be three or four months time.
189 00:10:13,670 –> 00:10:14,650 We’re not sure yet,
190 00:10:15,740 –> 00:10:16,300 however,
191 00:10:16,300 –> 00:10:17,850 at the age of 60.
192 00:10:17,860 –> 00:10:21,650 Even a 20 year sentence equates to life,
193 00:10:22,140 –> 00:10:24,970 and she deserves it now.
194 00:10:24,970 –> 00:10:28,550 During the trial itself and the jury deliberations,
195 00:10:28,720 –> 00:10:32,260 there was a bit of cockiness coming from Dylan Maxwell’s defence team,
196 00:10:32,640 –> 00:10:37,320 especially when the jury started asking for transcripts from the pilots,
200 00:10:41,540 –> 00:10:51,530 They seemed to believe that that meant that the jury was questioning everything the survivors had said and what the government witnesses had said.
201 00:10:51,540 –> 00:10:53,340 But that didn’t mean that at all.
202 00:10:53,350 –> 00:10:55,760 That meant that the jury was doing their job.
203 00:10:56,240 –> 00:10:57,640 They were drilling down.
204 00:10:57,650 –> 00:11:07,320 They were talking it through because the last thing these people who sat through this horrendous court case would want is for the whole thing to be a mistrial.
205 00:11:07,330 –> 00:11:08,340 They did their job.
206 00:11:08,350 –> 00:11:09,530 They did it correctly.
207 00:11:09,770 –> 00:11:12,600 But you could tell even today the gallon.
208 00:11:12,600 –> 00:11:14,860 Maxwell’s team thought they had it in the bag.
209 00:11:15,440 –> 00:11:25,960 Leah Saffain was talking to an ABC American producer for about five minutes and then slid them over to talk to Gullane herself.
210 00:11:26,640 –> 00:11:29,230 That was about a minute or so conversation,
211 00:11:29,240 –> 00:11:38,050 but you could tell straight away they were trying to set up interviews because they honestly believe she’d get off different to Australia.
212 00:11:38,060 –> 00:11:40,080 I think they can still do interviews,
213 00:11:40,080 –> 00:11:41,150 even if you’re in prison.
214 00:11:41,150 –> 00:11:41,640 Gen.
215 00:11:41,650 –> 00:11:42,160 Yes,
216 00:11:42,160 –> 00:11:45,890 but I don’t think that was the style of interview they were setting up.
217 00:11:45,900 –> 00:11:46,420 No,
218 00:11:46,420 –> 00:11:46,940 they may have,
219 00:11:46,940 –> 00:11:48,300 perhaps wanted a hotel.
220 00:11:48,300 –> 00:11:48,870 Remember?
221 00:11:48,880 –> 00:11:52,220 They had a five star hotel picked for Ghislaine if she got bail.
222 00:11:52,360 –> 00:11:52,690 Oh,
223 00:11:52,690 –> 00:11:53,630 that’s right.
224 00:11:53,640 –> 00:11:54,700 They may go there.
225 00:11:54,710 –> 00:11:58,850 Would they go to Scott Borges and her estranged spouses mansion?
226 00:11:59,140 –> 00:11:59,650 Maybe.
227 00:12:00,040 –> 00:12:00,220 Well,
228 00:12:00,220 –> 00:12:01,420 that’s the other thing.
229 00:12:01,430 –> 00:12:05,230 How much has she spent so far on her defence?
230 00:12:05,410 –> 00:12:06,930 And then you’ve got the appeal.
231 00:12:06,940 –> 00:12:08,400 Now she and Scott got married,
232 00:12:08,400 –> 00:12:11,010 apparently in 2000 and 16.
233 00:12:11,020 –> 00:12:14,350 He has control of all her money in a family trust.
234 00:12:15,740 –> 00:12:17,210 The divorce is coming.
235 00:12:17,220 –> 00:12:22,150 I’m not quite sure what the breaking up the assets is like in America,
236 00:12:22,150 –> 00:12:23,770 but after five or six years,
237 00:12:23,770 –> 00:12:25,390 here it’s a half and half.
238 00:12:25,390 –> 00:12:26,600 Possibly more.
239 00:12:26,610 –> 00:12:28,520 If somebody is left with the kids,
240 00:12:28,520 –> 00:12:29,260 so to speak,
241 00:12:30,040 –> 00:12:31,700 he can walk away with half her money.
242 00:12:31,710 –> 00:12:33,710 She may not have cash left.
243 00:12:33,720 –> 00:12:34,060 Well,
244 00:12:34,060 –> 00:12:45,890 cash that we know of exactly because Epstein apparently gave her $30 million and we’ve been told her ex boyfriend Ted wait gave her $20 million when they broke up,
245 00:12:45,900 –> 00:12:49,060 and I’ve only seen accounting for 27 million.
246 00:12:49,640 –> 00:12:54,280 That was when I was going to say and board can walk off with half of it straight away.
247 00:12:54,280 –> 00:13:01,960 So she hasn’t got that much left for appeals unless Ian is going to fork out to keep that family surname clean.
248 00:13:03,040 –> 00:13:03,480 Oh,
249 00:13:03,480 –> 00:13:05,520 how the tables have turned to Jen.
250 00:13:05,860 –> 00:13:06,940 And in the past,
251 00:13:06,940 –> 00:13:09,550 the Maxwells have been found not guilty.
252 00:13:10,440 –> 00:13:12,360 This is a new development for them.
253 00:13:13,140 –> 00:13:14,460 They don’t know what to do.
254 00:13:14,940 –> 00:13:15,710 No,
255 00:13:15,720 –> 00:13:18,070 they’re probably licking their wounds tonight.
256 00:13:18,090 –> 00:13:19,410 I’ll give you some advice,
257 00:13:19,410 –> 00:13:19,730 guys.
258 00:13:19,730 –> 00:13:20,960 Get on with your life.
259 00:13:21,340 –> 00:13:26,560 Don’t get tied up in that Life is too short to get tied up in knots over these appeals.
260 00:13:27,540 –> 00:13:27,770 Now,
261 00:13:27,770 –> 00:13:28,470 of course,
262 00:13:28,480 –> 00:13:32,160 this would spell utter disaster for Prince Andrew.
263 00:13:32,220 –> 00:13:32,570 Oh,
264 00:13:32,580 –> 00:13:33,130 really,
265 00:13:33,130 –> 00:13:33,710 Jen.
266 00:13:33,720 –> 00:13:34,070 Oh,
267 00:13:34,080 –> 00:13:34,580 well,
268 00:13:34,590 –> 00:13:37,290 they’ve got a phone hook up on January four.
269 00:13:37,300 –> 00:13:37,760 Yes,
270 00:13:37,760 –> 00:13:39,950 and we will be following Prince Andrew.
271 00:13:39,960 –> 00:13:40,410 Yes,
272 00:13:40,410 –> 00:13:41,250 we will.
273 00:13:41,480 –> 00:13:43,160 And then there’s Dersh as well.
274 00:13:43,340 –> 00:13:43,610 Yes,
275 00:13:43,610 –> 00:13:44,490 Alan Dershowitz.
276 00:13:44,490 –> 00:13:47,920 He is Martha’s Vineyard’s number one nude volleyballer,
277 00:13:47,930 –> 00:13:49,880 but he was also Epstein’s lawyer,
278 00:13:49,890 –> 00:13:50,990 Trump’s lawyer,
279 00:13:51,170 –> 00:13:52,160 OJ’s lawyer.
280 00:13:52,370 –> 00:13:57,590 Now he’s already been on the BBC banging on about the verdict.
281 00:13:57,600 –> 00:14:01,010 He wouldn’t answer any questions about Ghislaine,
282 00:14:01,070 –> 00:14:04,200 but he used the time to attack Virginia Jew free,
283 00:14:04,340 –> 00:14:07,660 saying that she should be up on the same charges that Ghislaine was.
284 00:14:08,240 –> 00:14:08,800 Of course,
285 00:14:08,800 –> 00:14:10,010 it seems,
286 00:14:10,190 –> 00:14:12,860 according to people who watched the segment,
287 00:14:12,890 –> 00:14:16,580 that he didn’t point out his conflict of interest,
288 00:14:16,730 –> 00:14:23,150 one that he was Epstein’s lawyer and that Virginia Giuffre has brought a civil suit against him for defamation.
289 00:14:23,420 –> 00:14:24,350 He forgot about that.
290 00:14:24,740 –> 00:14:25,360 Plus,
291 00:14:25,370 –> 00:14:29,190 according to something he put on the docket in that civil case,
292 00:14:29,200 –> 00:14:30,470 he’s on his deathbed.
293 00:14:30,470 –> 00:14:35,900 He’s dying and doesn’t believe he will be there to see the outcome of his civil case.
294 00:14:35,930 –> 00:14:37,960 But he can go into all these interviews.
295 00:14:37,960 –> 00:14:39,410 So he’s been on BBC.
296 00:14:39,420 –> 00:14:40,100 Supposedly,
297 00:14:40,100 –> 00:14:44,560 he went on another big Q flavoured podcast as well.
298 00:14:44,840 –> 00:14:48,870 And he had his minion put out today an attack on Virginia as well.
299 00:14:48,870 –> 00:14:52,180 And I just thought anyone who claims to be a journalist would know.
300 00:14:52,180 –> 00:14:55,750 Today is not the day for another element of this story.
301 00:14:55,760 –> 00:14:56,840 Everyone is busy.
302 00:14:56,850 –> 00:14:58,570 No one will see what you’ve written.
303 00:14:58,570 –> 00:15:02,930 I’m sorry you just got thrown out with the trash and the trash.
304 00:15:02,940 –> 00:15:04,860 Today is delay Maxwell.
305 00:15:05,540 –> 00:15:06,950 Absolutely.
306 00:15:06,960 –> 00:15:11,430 She has certainly come a long way from arrests from the helicopters,
307 00:15:11,430 –> 00:15:16,770 from the yachts from being lady of the House chin because the tables have turned.
308 00:15:16,830 –> 00:15:17,620 And for once,
309 00:15:17,620 –> 00:15:18,890 we’re there to see it.
310 00:15:19,100 –> 00:15:20,060 It’s so good.
311 00:15:20,640 –> 00:15:21,710 It is so good.
312 00:15:21,720 –> 00:15:29,550 I can’t comprehend how I know how excited we were and how relieved and then stunned and teary when the verdict came down.
313 00:15:29,560 –> 00:15:31,760 Imagine what the survivors are going through.
314 00:15:32,140 –> 00:15:36,630 Those women have displayed so much strength.
315 00:15:36,640 –> 00:15:45,160 And I want to say congratulations and hopefully this will be a new era for you because you are believed you are.
316 00:15:45,540 –> 00:15:47,060 These women matter.
317 00:15:47,640 –> 00:15:50,910 That’s why we did this podcast Jen more than two years ago.
318 00:15:50,920 –> 00:15:52,830 This is a massive development,
319 00:15:52,840 –> 00:16:01,570 and I want to say congratulations to the government in how they ran because that was the best set of charges to lay.
320 00:16:01,580 –> 00:16:03,890 There was a lot of chest thumping going on.
321 00:16:03,890 –> 00:16:04,570 It was bad.
322 00:16:04,570 –> 00:16:05,490 It wasn’t good enough.
323 00:16:05,490 –> 00:16:06,530 They did a bad job.
324 00:16:06,540 –> 00:16:06,930 No,
325 00:16:06,940 –> 00:16:10,970 within the structure of the laws that are written that they had to abide by.
326 00:16:10,980 –> 00:16:14,120 That was the best set of charges to bring against L.
327 00:16:14,120 –> 00:16:14,210 A.
328 00:16:14,210 –> 00:16:14,850 Maxwell,
329 00:16:15,640 –> 00:16:18,950 and she will now be out of her remand facility.
330 00:16:18,950 –> 00:16:19,570 Prison.
331 00:16:19,720 –> 00:16:22,450 She’ll now go into what they call club Fed.
332 00:16:22,510 –> 00:16:24,580 I don’t know if you’re going to get your vegan food there,
333 00:16:24,580 –> 00:16:24,980 either.
334 00:16:24,980 –> 00:16:25,620 Ghislaine.
335 00:16:25,630 –> 00:16:30,330 We shall see many people think this is the end of this saga.
336 00:16:30,340 –> 00:16:30,850 No,
337 00:16:30,860 –> 00:16:33,060 it’s just the beginning.
338 00:16:33,640 –> 00:16:36,440 There are so many avenues that we need to chase down.
339 00:16:36,440 –> 00:16:40,450 There are so many other enablers that need to be chased down.
340 00:16:40,540 –> 00:16:41,080 Yes,
341 00:16:41,080 –> 00:16:44,070 and they would be getting absolutely nervous tonight.
342 00:16:44,110 –> 00:16:44,550 Good.
343 00:16:44,740 –> 00:16:46,630 We should send a few emails.
344 00:16:46,840 –> 00:16:47,250 Yes,
345 00:16:47,250 –> 00:16:47,580 Jen,
346 00:16:47,590 –> 00:16:49,500 I love sending emails to people.
347 00:16:49,540 –> 00:16:50,220 Absolutely.
348 00:16:50,220 –> 00:16:52,360 Sarah Kellen Vickers might want one.
349 00:16:52,740 –> 00:16:53,570 Shut out.
350 00:16:53,940 –> 00:16:57,370 Nadia Marcinko might want one story.
352 00:16:59,630 –> 00:17:02,030 Kelly Bovino shout out.
353 00:17:02,210 –> 00:17:03,530 She might want one.
354 00:17:03,660 –> 00:17:07,860 And the Healy sisters Michelle Healy and Shannon Healy.
355 00:17:07,870 –> 00:17:08,380 Oh,
356 00:17:08,390 –> 00:17:15,190 Michele Tatum Now and also Dr Eva Andersson Dubin and her husband,
357 00:17:15,190 –> 00:17:16,060 Glenn Dubin.
358 00:17:17,240 –> 00:17:20,690 And there is also the case down in the Virgin Islands.
359 00:17:20,690 –> 00:17:22,340 Following the money.
360 00:17:22,350 –> 00:17:23,560 They’re doing a Seiko,
361 00:17:23,560 –> 00:17:28,270 which is their version of the American Rico racketeering charges,
362 00:17:28,740 –> 00:17:30,590 and they’ve been putting out subpoenas left,
363 00:17:30,590 –> 00:17:31,470 right and centre.
364 00:17:31,480 –> 00:17:33,510 Most of them have been ignored,
365 00:17:33,540 –> 00:17:35,060 but they’re doing good things.
366 00:17:36,040 –> 00:17:42,410 Darren Indyke was Jeffrey Epstein’s private lawyer for decades,
367 00:17:42,420 –> 00:17:44,100 and his financial advisor,
368 00:17:44,100 –> 00:17:44,910 Richard Kahn,
369 00:17:44,920 –> 00:17:56,100 who was seen walking out of the Epstein mansion with the Tiffany blue bag just a couple of days after he allegedly suicide ID or was murdered in prison.
370 00:17:56,110 –> 00:17:56,950 We’ll never know,
371 00:17:56,950 –> 00:17:57,560 will we?
372 00:17:57,700 –> 00:17:57,890 Well,
373 00:17:57,890 –> 00:17:58,780 they’ve been subpoenaed.
374 00:17:58,780 –> 00:17:58,980 Left,
375 00:17:58,980 –> 00:17:59,990 right and centre There.
376 00:17:59,990 –> 00:18:00,460 There.
377 00:18:02,740 –> 00:18:07,030 We’re going to crack open a bottle and have a bit of a daytime drink.
378 00:18:07,040 –> 00:18:11,350 But we will be back in a couple of days with something slightly longer,
379 00:18:11,380 –> 00:18:13,430 and I will be doing more of the transcripts.
380 00:18:13,440 –> 00:18:15,330 But unlike the defence lawyers,
381 00:18:15,340 –> 00:18:17,260 I will not be naming people.
382 00:18:17,640 –> 00:18:19,460 I will use pseudonyms.
383 00:18:20,340 –> 00:18:20,850 Yes,
384 00:18:21,440 –> 00:18:24,470 so thank you so much for joining us today.
385 00:18:24,480 –> 00:18:27,520 We’d also like to shout out to our patreon supporters.
386 00:18:27,530 –> 00:18:29,430 Thank you for being there.
387 00:18:29,440 –> 00:18:30,870 Some of you from very,
388 00:18:30,870 –> 00:18:31,960 very early on.
389 00:18:32,340 –> 00:18:34,060 And if you’d like to find me,
390 00:18:34,060 –> 00:18:35,580 I’m at least a podcast.
391 00:18:35,590 –> 00:18:37,110 Jen is at a really,
392 00:18:37,110 –> 00:18:39,010 truly were on Instagram.
393 00:18:39,020 –> 00:18:44,020 Come join us on Facebook and to the survivors.
394 00:18:44,030 –> 00:18:44,670 Thank you.
395 00:18:45,140 –> 00:18:48,050 Because you have helped us so much.
396 00:18:48,070 –> 00:18:52,050 And you are believed these women matter.
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397 00:18:53,940 –> 00:18:54,250 Hi,
398 00:18:54,250 –> 00:18:55,510 it’s Lisa here.
399 00:18:55,530 –> 00:18:58,860 Do you want to help us produce the Prince and the pervert podcast.
400 00:18:59,340 –> 00:19:03,860 One of our kind listeners has been asking how they can support us.
401 00:19:03,870 –> 00:19:06,660 So we’ve started a patreon account,
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403 00:19:11,670 –> 00:19:14,390 it also helps us just cover our costs.
404 00:19:14,640 –> 00:19:15,690 At the end of the day,
405 00:19:15,690 –> 00:19:17,270 this is a labour of love,
406 00:19:17,640 –> 00:19:20,520 and we’re determined to follow the case until the end.
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408 00:19:22,950 –> 00:19:24,550 That’s why we’re doing this work.
409 00:19:24,560 –> 00:19:27,360 And we are all in this together.
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Epstein Victim: The sex-trafficking trial of British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell has heard an alleged survivor was groomed for abuse from the age of just 14.
Asked earlier why she remembered the first time she was abused by Epstein, the woman said it was more clear than other events “because it’s the beginning of when my life would change forever.”
The alleged acts left her feeling ashamed and humiliated.
“I’ve always just wanted to put this past me. I moved on with my life,” Jane said.
“I work in the entertainment industry and victim shaming is still very present to this day.”
Talking publicly could also affect her career, the Epstein victim said.
“I didn’t really want any part of it,” she said.
“I just wanted it to go away.”
She added: ”I was terrified and felt gross and felt ashamed.”
Prosecutor Alison Moe asked Jane : “Who was most frequently in the room when you had sexual contact with Jeffrey Epstein when you were 14 years old?” “Ghislaine Maxwell,” Jane said.
But Maxwell’s counsel Bobbi Sternheim asked the woman why it took twenty years for her to report the alleged assaults.
As well the defence lawyer, focused on her career as an adult. She described Jane as an actress.
“She is a pro at playing roles,” Ms. Sternheim said.
The New York Times said the lawyer asserted Jane had changed her story to obtain millions of dollars in compensation from a fund established for Epstein’s victims.
If the jury believes Epstein victim Jane, it could be “game over” for Maxwell.
But how the defence team will try to undermine this testimony though is becoming apparent.
When arrested in July 2020, the former socialite refused to tell Pre-Trial Services the identity of her “spouse.” She told authorities she was in the process of getting a divorce.
News emerged that her ”husband” was Boston-based ocean cargo entrepreneur Scott Borgerson.
Maxwell told the court she didn’t previously identify him because she wanted to protect him and his family from the media.
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But the relationship was shrouded in secrecy. Ghislaine’s brother Ian Maxwell said he found out about the marriage with the rest of the world in 2019.
Maxwell and Borgerson at the Arctic Circle assembly, Iceland
Whether they were even still together was remaining a mystery, as the FBI stated Maxwell and Borgerson had not spoken on the phone for months before she was arrested.
Who is Ghislaine Maxwell Husband
She told the court also planned to live with someone other than Scott Borgerson in New York, if she was granted bail.
“The fact that the defendant’s spouse has only now come forward to support the defendant should be afforded little weight given that he refused to come forward at the time of her arrest.
While a friend’s desire to avoid publicity may be understandable, a spouse’s desire to distance himself in that manner—particularly when coupled with the defendant’s inconsistent statements about the state of their relationship—undermine her assertion that her marriage is a tie that would keep her in the United States.”
Maureen Comey, Assistant US Attorney.
Ghislaine Maxwell Husband Scott Borgerson
In a letter to US District Judge Alison Nathan, Borgerson said: “The person described in the criminal charges is not the person we know. I have never witnessed anything close to inappropriate with Ghislaine.
