Dead catstrategy: Meghan Markle isn’t the only woman to have fallen prey to vicious palace media attacks – they’ve also come for a Jeffrey Epstein survivor, said a crisis management expert.
“The royal machine goes for the throat and it shows no mercy. They even made contact with an internet troll who has been harassing survivors for more than a year,” Ms Tait said.
“When these people leak against you, it’s vicious.”
Wikipedia says a dead cat strategy is the political tool of deliberately creating a media storm to divert public attention away from problems or failures in other areas.
Ms Tait is an experienced crisis management practitioner. She worked for Hill & Knowlton in Sydney, has 10 years in-house PR experience, is a trained journalist and a former academic.
She added Mrs Roberts Guiffre believed she was last year slandered by The Telegraph and its reporter, Camilla Tominey, who stated the Epstein and Prince Andrew whistleblower was a “prostitute”.
The British journalist reported Ms Roberts Giuffre was a prostitute who had “been on the game for almost a year.”
Dead Cat Strategy
Ms Tominey reacted defensively when criticism of her story took off on social media.
Moreover, Ms Tait was surprised by the tone of the reporter’s replies because she believed “putting negative energy out there does attract critics”.
“You cannot say inflammatory things about abused children online and get away with it when you have a huge platform,” she said.
Mrs Roberts Giuffre has been attacked by the royals and their spokespeople for more than a decade.
Dead Cat Strategy
The royal family are true survivors and they play hard, even against a survivor of sex trafficking.
Ms Tait was interested to see the royals on the backfoot, instead of leaking against a sexual assault survivor to hide Prince Andrew’s links to pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
Caviar Diplomacy Prince Andrew enjoyed “caviar diplomacy” from autocratic nations, including lavish hospitality, private flights and a blind Russian masseuse.
Prince Andrew: The Azerbaijani dictatorship was using a full-spectrum influence campaign to sway Western opinion in its favour.
Since 1991, about 20 billion pounds was invested by the UK into the former Soviet state, according to the Daily Mail.
The Duke of York’s Other Unsavoury Diploatic Contacts
Prince Andrew – the Caviar Trade Rep
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Country
Who
Reason
Media
Conflict
2001
UK
Prince Andrew roving trade ambassador
Appointed as roving trade ambassador. Went to NYC weeks after Sept 11 attacks
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September 11
2007/2008
Libya
Prince Andrew meets Col Gaddafi & son Saif Al-Islam. Duke meets dictator three times in 2008 & is photographed on yachts owned by Libyans. One of Andrew’s trips to Libya in 2007 was official business. It was for five days.
Andrew demands a briefing with UK Serious Fraud Office on BAE Saudi bribery claims. “Two senior SFO sources confirmed that BAE case-handlers had protested in strong terms at the time at the request for a briefing by Prince Andrew, and insisted that he only be given publicly-available information. “They all thought the request was well out of order,” one said. They felt “very uncomfortable”. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/30/prince-andrew-wikileaks-cables
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Arab Spring
2009
Libya Azerbaijan Tunisia
Libyan gun-runner and friend of Prince Andrew ‘gave Princess Beatrice £18k necklace’ before the Duke allegedly lobbied British company for him. The gift-giver, Tarek Kaituni, spent several years on remand in a Paris jail for smuggling a gun before he was given a two-month suspended sentence, and fined 10,000 Euros a year later. Andrew, who continued to visit Libya and party with Libyans.In 2011, Andrew met with MP to discuss “Azerbaijani trade.” The duke was a constant visitor to the nation. While trade envoy and after.
He met with President Ilham Aliyev, a man described by The Daily Mail as a despot, on more than a dozen occasions.
Despite growing concern over his willingness to establish business links with foreign dictatorships from the Middle East to central Asia, the Duke of York met Mark Field, Tory MP for Cities of London and Westminster and chairman of the all-party parliamentary group on Azerbaijan, at Buckingham Palace and asked for support in parliament and Whitehall for British investment in Azerbaijan.“None of this seemed to bother Andrew, who enjoyed a four-day holiday in Tunisia with Kaituni in November 2008, shortly before visiting Colonel Gaddafi in Tripoli.
Calling for the Duke to lose his role, Labour MP Chris Bryant told the House of Commons: “Isn’t it especially difficult to explain the behaviour of the special ambassador for trade who is not only a close friend of Saif Gaddafi but is also a close friend of a convicted Libyan gun smuggler, Tarek Kaituni.” The common link between the Prince and the gun runner? The alleged fraudster who gifted Prince Andrew more than £1 million ($1.3 million) was introduced to him by a convicted Libyan gun smuggler. https://www.arabnews.com/node/2055996/world
Tony Blair had a private meeting with Prince Andrew in 2009 after they stayed in the same hotel in the notorious former Soviet republic of Azerbaijan.
On this occasion, Andrew was on a private three-day visit ‘with an element of work’, but has previously established a wealth of contacts while promoting British business interests in his special envoy role.
News said gun runner wanted Andrew to lobby for him in the UK. It was also claimed Andrew courted Saif Al-Islam Gaddafi at Buckingham Palace. Why? Money? Trade? Plus he hosted the Tunisian dictator’s son-in-law at the palace in 2011. Met with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, a man described by The Daily Mail as a despot, more than a dozen times. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2833917/Prince-Andrew-secretly-flies-Azerbaijan-meeting-president.html
Arab spring.Azerbaijan constantly fighting with neighbours. Tunisian dictator overthrown.
2008 onwards
Kazakhstan
According to The Times: “Andrew’s dealings with the oil and gas-rich former Soviet republic have multiplied in recent years. Since 2003 he has paid three social visits to the country.”
He dined with the ex-President in 2008 in a VIP section of a five-star resort in Egypt, said The Times. The East Asian nation’s tentacles are now deep inside the United Kingdom’s trade system.
The Prince was also, until recently, the Honorary Patron of the British Kaazch Society.
The royal repeatedly visited Kazakhstan for his own reasons, too. He was there on another “private” visit in 2008, according to his spokesman.
The ex-president’s son in law bought his unwanted martial house.
Bloody Tuesday crackdown 2022. The regime is described as a kleptocracy, essentially stealing from its people.
Andrew censured for sneaking off twice to meet with despotic President. The Duke of York flew by private jet to meet Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev. The Billionaire despot has been accused of appalling human rights abuses.
Prince Andrew stayed in the room capital, Baku, during his ‘private’ four-day trip. “Details of the trip only emerged after a British Government source tipped off the pressure group, Platform, which campaigns against social and environmental abuses associated with the energy industry.
It has grown increasingly close to President Aliyev, 48. He is also said to be friendly with his wife Mehriban and daughters Leyla and Arzu.
“The regularity of his visits have also led media in the former Soviet state to speculate that the Queen’s son may have business links to the oil-rich state, including a golf resort on the Caspian Sea. Buckingham Palace has vehemently denied this.” https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2833917/amp/Prince-Andrew-secretly-flies-Azerbaijan-meeting-president.html (note: a resolution adopted by the European Parliament in September 2015 described Azerbaijan as “having suffered the greatest decline in democratic governance in all of Eurasia over the past ten years,” noting as well that its dialogue with the country on human rights has “not made any substantial progress.”) In 2016, Azerbaijan was harshly criticized for bribing foreign officials and diplomats to promote its causes abroad and legitimize its elections at home, a practice termed Caviar diplomacy. (Source: Wikipedia) Local media in Azerbaijan have speculated that he has business links in the region, including a golf resort on the Caspian Sea. Buckingham Palace has, however, denied this.” writes the publication. Even after retiring, as the Independent has learned, the Duke of York continues to demand reports on the situation in Azerbaijan directly from the British ambassador to Baku, with whom he recently held a face-to-face meeting, inviting him to the palace.
http://caviar-diplomacy.net/azerbaijan/en_US/ In Baku, the prince is treated in a royal way. For example, Ilham Aliyev took him to his own luxury spa, which employs a blind Russian masseur described as the best in the world. It is not by chance that “over the past five years, Prince Andrew visited President Aliyev eight times.” He also invites the British Ambassador to Baku to Buckingham Palace, demanding reports on the situation in Azerbaijan. Tina Brown upcoming book: “She claimed Epstein would fly Andrew to meet governments in ‘obscure foreign markets’ who could not refuse to see him because he was a royal, and would come along with him as an ‘investment adviser’ to His Royal Highness. He then would negotiate deals for his personal gain. Brown said Epstein knew which buttons to push to ensnare Prince Andrew, who felt stung from being second fiddle to Prince Charles and relied on his mother to fund his lifestyle. The author and journalist also claimed Andrew was made to feel important by Epstein thanks to ‘the deals, the girls, the plane, the glittering New York world, where he wasn’t seen as a full-grown man still dependent on his mother’s Privy Purse strings.’
Prince Andrew acted as a broker for a Kazakh oligarch who wanted to buy a London home from the Queen’s estate, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act revealed.
The Duke of York’s office tried to secure a crown estate property near Kensington Palace for the oil and gas tycoon Timur Kulibayev at the same time as his marital home of Sunninghill Park was being sold to the billionaire for £3m over the asking price.
The duke was a government trade envoy at the time of the attempted deal for Kulibayev, son-in-law of the Kazakh president, Nursultan Nazarbayev. Its emergence is likely to fuel calls for further investigation into his dealings with the autocratic regime.
According to the emails released to the Mail on Sunday, the Duke of York’s private secretary, Amanda Thirsk, urged the crown estate to sell one of its valuable Kensington properties to Kulibayev, saying: “They are happy to spend very large numbers to get the right property.”
Kazaks wanted a trade deal with the UK and they received billions in deals with English firms.
The UK’s Telegraph newspaper disclosed that the Duke of York was introduced to Selman Turk by Libyan Tarek Kaituni in 2019.
After their summer meet, they quickly established a friendship, with the duke attending dinners at Turk’s London home.
Kaituni had a longer link with Prince Andrew, which he boasted about to other connections. He had reportedly organized meetings between the duke and the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and attended the wedding of the duke’s daughter, Princess Eugenie, in 2018.
Turk quickly used his introduction to the duke to organize payments to him and his family, including £225,000 to his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson and £25,000 to Princess Eugenie.
Andrew gave Turk an award at his Pitch@thePalace 2019 London event, for a bank which collapsed.
Goes to Bahrain with Fergie, Beatrice & her husband. Pic taken at Grand Prix. Andrew on a week of Royal engagements. “Inseparable” with Fergie and stayed at the Ritz.
November 2019: Andrew pulls out of Bahrain trip after Epstein interview
PR to gloss over human rights abuses
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2022
Turkey
Prince Andrew has become embroiled in a legal riddle over a £750,000 payment from a Turkish millionairess.
Nebahat Isbilen, 77, who claims to have been scammed out of fortune by a dishonest businessman, was allegedly tricked into giving the Duke of York money ‘by way of payment for assistance’ with her passport, a court heard.
The prince has since repaid the cash after she alleged it was a scam. The Daily Mail
2010: Met with Jordanian, Malaysian, Indian and Indonesia defence ministers
2011: visits Saudi Arabia Qatar and UAE, meets with the Saudis up until 2019
2013 Meets Turkmenistan. PresidentTom Mayne, of the anticorruption campaign Global Witness in London, told RFE/RL that such meetings could be positive if Prince Andrew raised important issues such as corruption.
“Unfortunately, what we’ve been hearing — for example in the leaked cables — is that Prince Andrew doesn’t take the topic of corruption seriously,” Mayne said.
“Turkmenistan is perceived as one of the most corrupt countries in the world: the country doesn’t publish a proper budget; there is very little information about what happens there to the money that the country earns from its sale of oil and gas.
It is his obligation, if he’s promoting business, to raise these issues.”
From flights on the president’s jet to gifts of the fishy delicacy, they rolled out the red carpet for Prince Andrew.
There is no evidence the royal engaged in inappropriate behaviour. But he spent time with unsavoury people.
2011: Ilham Aliyev met with Duke of York of the Great Britain, Prince Andrew
Critics are accusing the Azerbaijani government of carrying out a “full-spectrum influence campaign” in the West. This includes lobbying, PR, lavish gifts, and junkets.
The goal of this campaign was to sway Western opinion and it appeared to have worked.
In recent years, the nation enjoyed increasing support from the UK.
Prince Andrew was an advocate for closer ties with Azerbaijan.
According to The Economist, caviar diplomacy diverts “attention abroad from its (a nation’s) human-rights record and discourage the opposition at home”. In the case of Azerbaijan, through lavish extravaganzas and high-end lobbying.”
Why is this relevant? Jeffrey Epstein described the Royal as a “useful idiot.”
The Duke linked him up with contacts who wanted deals in obscure countries, according to biographer Tina Brown.
During his time as UK special representative, Prince Andrew helped negotiate several energy deals, according to The Economist.
In 2017, Britain was the largest investor in Azerbaijan, mainly through BP oil and companies related to resources.
As well, the UK has invested about 20 billion pounds in the country.
According to The Daily Mail: “In Azerbaijan, Prince Andrew is routinely described as a ‘dear guest’ by the leader of a country that ranks as one of the most corrupt in the world on the Transparency Index.
President Ilham Aliyev took the royal to his spa, which employed the blind masseur, described as the best in the world.
Andrew was on a private three-day visit ‘with an element of work’. But he had previously established a wealth of contacts while promoting British business interests in his envoy role.
Andrew was in 2014 censured for sneaking off twice to Azerbaijan.
Moreover, the Duke of York flew by private jet to meet President Aliyev. The royal stayed in the capital, Baku, during one ‘private’ trip.
Its spokesman, Emma Hughes, accused the prince of having a ‘cosy relationship’ with the President.
The Duke of York had also summoned Britain’s Ambassador to Azerbaijan for a meeting at Buckingham Palace.
The royal made eight visits to Azerbaijan in six years. Two were private, arousing suspicions he has business interests there, including a golf complex. There was a total of 12 jaunts to Baku.
The business claims have been vigorously denied by Buckingham Palace. Categorically. Vehemently. Absolutely denied.
The donor, Soheil Dadfar, was thanked on the menu. It just happened to drop into the hands of The Daily Mail.
So what does the President of Azerbaijan want from his caviar diplomacy? Well one thing you can do is launder money overseas.
According to a report from the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, the regime parked money in London. The President and two daughters — Leyla and Arzu — own a penthouse in London worth $26 million.
Finally, Prince Andrew is friends with Layla.
In 2021, The Guardian reported The Queen’s estate launched a review into a £67m London property, bought from the family.
The Pandora papers revealed a network of offshore companies linked to Aliyev and associates. They traded £400m of UK property over 15 years.
Properties include a London mansion worth $25 million, a flat near Hyde Park worth $8 million, nine waterfront mansions in Dubai valued at $44 million, a dacha near Moscow worth $37 million, and a villa in the Czech spa town of Karlovy Vary worth $ 1.1 million.
The Economist: “The government practises a revolving-door policy with critics, locking them up and releasing them when it is expedient.”
But Azerbaijan wants more than honorary membership of the European community. Exactly what that is remains unclear.
Moreover, the nation faces increased sanctions and is finding it difficult to steal from its people and launder money. This is due to human rights, money laundering and election rigging.
But whatever it does, it involves oil, property and the provision of caviar.
Moreover, what was he doing at a Matthew Williamson catwalk show in Moscow? Oh yes, he was the UK special representative for trade. How convenient. This is the role that had him tagged as Air Miles Andy.
According to another English fashion designer, Jenny Packham, the Royal demanded she attend a VIP reception where he was holding court alone with young Russian models.
Article from The Daily Telegraph May 8, 2004Andrew’s 2004 appearance in Moscow at Russian Fashion Week. “Ogling Andy” story from The Evening Standard, November, 2004
Ghislaine Maxwell Manchester by the Sea: Convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell now lives in a jail cell, but her estranged husband is now selling their marital abode near Boston.
Scott Borgerson is listing for sale the former love nest at Manchester-By-The-Sea at more than $7million.
“She was here years ago, but actually left when this thing started to rear its ugly head — her situation from conduct decades ago,” Borgeson told The Wall Street Journal of Maxwell.
The Metropolitan Detention Center is a long way from the grand mansions 60-year-old Maxwell has previously called home.
Ghislaine Maxwell Manchester by the Sea
They include:
Headington Hill Hall, Oxford
Jeffrey Epstein’s New York Mansion
Maxwell’s Manhattan Town Home
Ghislaine Maxwell London Home
Her New York Penthouse (rumoured to have been bought for her by billionaire Ted Waitt)
Manchester-By-the-Sea historic home
The New Hampshire property where she was arrested in 2020.
The Manchester by the Sea property, owned by her estranged husband, is one of many places where Maxwell has laid her head over the years.
Headington Hill Hall: “The Best Council House in the Country”
Ghislaine’s fraudster father Robert Maxwell leased the building from Oxford Council for 32 years, for use as a residence and offices. He described it as the “best council house in the country.”
She lived there from about approximately 1992 until she later moved in 2000 to her own house nearby at 116 East 65th Street.
Ghislaine Maxwell New York City
This house previously belonged to Lyn Forrester de Rothschild, who was the person who introduced Epstein to lawyer Alan Dershowitz. (Well that’s what Dersh told the Epstein Netflix documentary.)
Maxwell bought the home in 2000 for just under $million and sold it in around 2015 for $17million.
Maxwell really went to town here with her interesting decor choices.
The Beaux Arts-style property, which dates back to 1910 and is located between Park and Lexington Aves., has 12 rooms, including six bedrooms, nine wood-burning fireplaces, an elevator, a media room and library with a built-in projector and surround sound, a home office, a chef’s kitchen with granite countertops, and a landscaped garden.
If you want to know who Maxwell really is, this house is the physical representation.I am not a psychologist, but I know ugly when I see it.
Check out the kitchen tiles (top right)
The London Mews House | Ghislaine Maxwell London Home
Her UK base was in one of the best spots in London, in Belgravia. It’s also across the road from a pub and walking distance to Hyde Park.
This was the residence where Virginia Roberts Giufree said she was assaulted by Prince Andrew on March 10, 2001.
Maxwell sold it recently to pay her legal fees. A UK property developer bought it at a discount at for £1.75million.
Red door. Red windows. Red door hinges.
New York Penthouse (rumoured to have been bought for her by billionaire Ted Waitt)
This is a story we were told by the comic Tom Arnold. According to him, Maxwell briefly lived in the penthouse once owned by Rupert Murdoch (she was there for possibly days in 2011).
Here’s where the story gets depressing. It turns out Waitt bought the property for his girlfriend?and the couple broke up one week after closing. While we would’ve hung onto the apartment, Waitt apparently felt differently. He’s found a buyer, according to the Observer.
In 2001, Royal hosted child protection charity at Buckingham Palace four days after the alleged encounter between him and the 17-year-old.
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Virginia Andrew: Just four days after the Duke of York allegedly assaulted teenager Virginia Giuffre, he hosted a dinner at Buckingham Palace for a child protection charity.
Queen Elizabeth’s second son had no qualms hosting the National Society for the Protection of Children (NSPCC) on March 14, 2001.
In addition, the Prince also attended a second event for the child abuse charity in London on March 28, 2001.
Moreover, Prince Andrew was in America frequently; at least four times. Or, including Epstein’s island in the US Virgin Islands, it is five visits during 2001.
Less than a month later after the alleged London assault, he was flying to New York to allegedly see Ms Giuffre and the pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, while undertaking official arrangements.
Virginia Andrew
Our analysis of the royal’s movements comes from the official palace record, known as the court circular. It’s essentially a diary of the Windsor family’s official activities.
The allegations against Prince Andrew first surfaced publicly after Ms Giuffre came forward to the media in 2011.
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Ms Giuffre also alleged:
In April 2001, there waa a second alleged assault in New York City
Easter 2001: Prince Andrew allegedly assaults Ms Giuffre on Epstein’s island in the US Virgin Islands
The Royal has always vehemently denied these allegations.
But Epstein survivor Johanna Sjoberg alleged the Duke of York groped her breast when she was aged 21, as Ms Giuffre, then 17, sat with a puppet of Andrew on her lap in 2001.
Virginia Andrew
And so I sat on Andrew’s lap, I believe of my own volition, and they took the puppet’s hands and put it on Virginia’s breast and so Andrew put his on mine.’
It was all done in ‘a joking manner’. ‘Everybody laughed,’ Miss Sjoberg said. ‘Ghislaine… had a very dirty sense of humour.’
According to her accounts, the prince, while being inappropriately tactile, had not caused offence. She thought him ‘charming’.
The Duke of York says he cannot remember the Virginia Giuffre photograph, being upstairs in Ghislaine Maxwell’s house, or the bar at the London nightspot Tramp.
Moreover, Prince Andrew was in America frequently during that year; at least four times. Or, including Epstein’s island in the US Virgin Islands, it is five visits during 2001.
The prince says he was not close with Epstein, but admits he stayed once in 2010 at the perve’s New York mansion.
Virginia Andrew
“At the time I felt it was the honourable and right thing to do and I admit fully that my judgment was probably coloured by my tendency to be too honourable but that’s just the way it is,” he told the BBC in 2019.
Until recently in court documents, the Prince has been denying he knew Ms Giuffre.
But she is insistent that her allegations are true.
“Twenty years ago, Prince Andrew’s wealth, power, position, and connections enabled him to abuse a frightened, vulnerable child with no one there to protect her. It is long past the time for him to be held to account,” says Virginia Giufree’s Legal Claim.
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The mother-of-three says she was trafficked by Epstein and she claims was forced to perform sex acts on his rich and famous friends.
She brought her case against the royal under the Child Victims Act, a state law enacted in New York in 2019 which expanded the statute of limitations in child sex abuse cases.
The Prince was the patron of the NSPCC’s full-stop campaign.
He was pictured at its winter ball in 2002 where the Prince is seen in photos from the evening with former US President Bill Clinton.
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In addition, Mr Clinton also associated with Epstein and Maxwell during the 2000s.
The former president and the royal visited Epstein’s Little Saint James Island and appeared on flight logs for the dead billionaire’s planes.
Finally, the Duke of York is no longer associated with the NSPCC, as is the case with alleged Epstein associate Countess Clare Iveagh Guiness, who resigned from her position in 2021.
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Princess Eugenie Andrew
New human trafficking podcast by Princess. Prince and the Pervert transcript.
Lisa: Now I’ve got to check out Hypocrisy folder Jen,
Jen: How’s it going?
I think it’s pretty full because now that we mentioned this Prince Andrew’s daughter, Princess Eugenie.
She’s putting out her podcast finally,
her long awaited podcast for the anti slavery collective , about human trafficking.
I kid you not.
I’m not making it up.
It was in People magazine a couple of days ago because she trashed it.
Princess Eugenie Andrew
She stopped doing it, Yes, but now she’s coming back.
Yes, so the recording started in 2021 at the Princess’s home and it will be released later this year.
Maybe she’s relying on people listening and clicking on it because of her dad.
Well, she probably realised she’s going to get a pasting regardless.
So should go ahead and do it.
So it’s her long awaited podcast.
Princess Eugenie Andrew
Well, it might be a long awaited by you, but I don’t think any of us needs to hear from you at the moment about human trafficking.
And if you are going to do it,
I don’t want it to be some kind of astro turfing reputation cleanser.
Why did you introduce some of the girls that who were at that bar your dad went to?
And I wonder if she will include the Ghislaine Maxwell trial?
Yes, but she doesn’t.
So apparently she’s spoken at the UN about it, but so had Maxwell.
Before this, I thought it was prestigious thing to speak at the UN.
But I think if you’ve got contacts, you can do it.So I think that the world can wait for your contribution to this unless you’re going to be thorough.
Princess Eugenie Andrew
So, Jen, do you think she’ll be editing for eight hours?
I doubt it should have a professional team.
I wonder who’s paying for it?
She just have to go in and talk.
It would be all scripted.
I’ll be interested to see how long it lasts,
Once it comes out, people are gonna go crazy.
Ms Maxwell, former UN speaker
I reckon it’ll be a short series, maybe 46 episodes, and that’s it.
Very little press other than launching it, I don’t think there’ll be any follow up.
Who is Ghislaine’s Husband Scott Borgerson and why are there photos him on romantic beach walks with another lover?
Is this the end of his five-year marriage to Maxwell?
Let’s go for a walk on the beach with Ghislaine Maxwell’s estranged husband and his new girlfriend, Kris McGinn.
Here is a transcript of the video review of the new images.
Some photos have come out today in The Daily Mail of the two lovers and there is video of the lovebirds birds walking on the beach, going into the forest.
Image source: The Daily Mail
Who is Ghislaine’s Husband Scott Borgerson
The forest photos were taken on a separate day to the beach photos.
So let’s press play on the beach video and let’s see what happens shall we knew right? I think so. You ready? 1, 2, 3.
Well, it looks a bit cold, Jen, doesn’t it? It is. Everyone’s wearing big jackets.
It’s a sunny day and you can see the two of them. So Scott and Kris are walking along the beach with two dogs and they seem to have somehow ended up with someone else’s tiny little dog.
Well, that happens all the time on the beach. So Jen, you had some interesting comments on about how that angle keeps changing.
Who is with Ghislaine’s Husband?
Well, it does. Which means that whoever’s videoing, this has moved from one location to another. So in other words, I think they were a participant in this.
The video has got a title on it called prob media. Now pro media, I used by international news outlets, intelligence agencies, and corporate and individual clients. Did they hire this guy?
Well, it’s very possible. They did because it’s all the rage in Hollywood.
Angelina Jolie did it years ago with Brad Pitt on a beach. Remember we’re on a beach, everyone and her son.
So that was the first photo of those two to break apparently.The Kardashians are the masters of calling the paparazzi on themselves.
But what I think is happening here too, maybe it’s a deal they did because Scott hates the media.
Maybe he just wanted to get rid of them. And he’s like, okay, we’ll do this for you.
Who is Ghislaine’s Husband Scott Borgerson
And they set it up. They had some unknown photograph them. And then the next day, film them while they walking down the beach makes sense.
Trouble is all this is going to do is incite the other news organizations to get their own footage.
Um, interestingly, his new girlfriend’s a journalist.
But Scott looks straight at the camera and I’ve been told in my research. That means that it’s a setup. If they’re looking directly at the camera, because otherwise you just go about your business.
Don’t you, Jen? Yeah, you don’t. If I look at someone with a big, huge lens, unless, you know, they’re there for a reason.
And the photos are fascinating that came out of this as well because it’s the two of them embraced. That’s the bit over the top.
Yeah, the hugging and the kissing. And she’s leaning against him while the dogs are running around.
And then they take the dogs into the forest for another walk. Fascinating. I think he’s trying to build a new narrative for himself as well.
He really needs to.
Because he wants to get back into society like the business community. It’s a tough call.
Who is Ghislaine’s Husband Scott Borgerson
Exactly. Now, for those of you who aren’t across the detail, apparently he broke up with Ghislaine in a heated phone call while she was in prison.
So we don’t know if that truly happened because remember pre-trial services, she said she was divorcing her spouse and we know they hadn’t had contact for at least three months before the FBI went in and arrested her. Exactly.
And why did she go and buy that big house? I think that they were split up full-stop and all they’re in the process of, and that’s why she had to buy the second house.
And then they convinced him to write that wonderful letter recommendation for bail.
As they say, it’s all smoke and mirrors , Jen.
And the reason why I want to talk about this next bit is because I’m sick of the Maxwell family, trying to hijack the narrative.
And there was an ITV documentary this week about Ghislaine, her brother, Ian, who is the public spokesman, cried on television, but a lot of nasty people on Twitter said he was fake crying.
“Damn it damn. I’m just damn angry. I don’t see how anyone, anyone looking at this cannot feel that way. It’s just wrong. I have devoted a lot of my time as of my brothers and sisters to help her. We believe her. We love, and we hope that she will get the justice that she definitely deserves,” he told ITV.
So what do you think Jen is that fake crying or genuine crying?
I think he’s crying for himself or the family name. He doesn’t give a shit about Ghislaine and it’s an act.
This whole thing’s been about them. It’s been about the family’s legacy, which was in the toilet. Anyway. I don’t understand these people. I don’t understand why they get so much media. Imagine how the survivors feel about this.
Especially as there is a guilty verdict.
Yeah. It’s time to go please and no more crying on television or whatever it is. We’re sort of done with that.
Plus you’re carrying on about all you’ve done for Ghislaine. It was your sister, Isabel, who was there every day in the court. How often did you turn up? Did you buy pizza for the media? Like Isabel did. Or take photos of them?
They’re very interesting family. Jen.
Aren’t they, that’s putting it mildly.
Who is Ghislaine’s Husband Scott Borgerson
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Fake crying and let us know if you think it was a setup. The photos on the beach and going into the forest core Have great weekend. Bye.
Jeffrey Epstein Prince Andrew: Queen Elizabeth’s second son faces an unprecedented test due to his woes associated with his friendship with Epstein and Maxwell.
The Royal was sued by Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who alleged she was forced to have sex with the Prince three times, in London, New York and on Epstein’s Caribbean island, when aged 17.
Although not part of this case, Ms Roberts Giuffre has made claims the royal assaulted eight other girls in a group sex encounter on Epstein’s island.
The fall out means effectively the Prince will never return to an official royal role.
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Prince Andrew and journalist Camilla Tominey
In 2022, The Duke of York, as he is also known, agreed to pay Ms Roberts Giufree approximately £12million.
The Royal was being sued by the mother-of-three, who alleges she was forced to have sex with the Prince three times, in London, New York and on Epstein’s Caribbean island, when aged 17.
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Prince Andrew’s lawyers argued that a Jeffrey Epstein settlement agreement with Ms Roberts Giuffre intended to cover anyone she might sue.
Although not part of this case, Ms Roberts Giuffre has made claims the royal assaulted eight other girls in a group sex encounter. The incident allegedly happened on Epstein’s Little St James Island.
“To me, it’s simply wrong that Queen has called to bear the clout and lustre of the throne to try and save the skin of a man who, even if nothing else, saw fit to spend five days staying in the home of a registered sex offender,” she said.
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The Duke of York was also reportedly a frequent visitor to Epstein’s Paris apartment.
In an unpublished memoir, Ms Roberts Giuffre wrote: “Epstein, Prince Andrew, approximately eight other young girls and I had sex together…The other girls all seemed and appeared to be under the age of 18 and didn’t really speak English.”
As a result, the UK royal family is again in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons with the Duke of York at the center of the scandal.
According to Sean O’Grady in The Independent, the case will not deliver a fatal blow to the monarchy: “Prince Andrew’s apparent determination to resist the civil case, and the palace and the Queen (presumably) paying his legal bills, the affair will drag on for some time. As it goes on and on, the details about what did and did not happen will be examined in excruciating detail.
While the Queen pays his legal bills, the affair will drag on for some time. As it goes on and on, the details about what did and did not happen will be examined in excruciating detail….It won’t end the controversies anyhow, and Andrew’s name will be forever linked with Maxwell and Epstein.“
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Prince Andrew is the youngest son of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh.
He denies the allegations but what would happen if he came to America? Could he be arrested on his arrival or face perjury charges? Can he sweat?
Her lawyers have also been asked for information about his widely-mocked claim he could not perspire.
The photo that led to Ghislaine Maxwell’s downfallandrew envoy
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28 00:01:03,400 –> 00:01:04,630 the queen’s second son,
29 00:01:04,640 –> 00:01:06,660 is in a world of pain,
30 00:01:07,240 –> 00:01:12,300 and some of the headlines today from the UK Press are interesting. This is from the Daily Express,
31 00:01:12,310 –> 00:01:14,100 Queen Casts Out Andrew,
32 00:01:14,100 –> 00:01:18,790 adrift for the sake of the monarchy. The Sun “throne out“,
33 00:01:18,800 –> 00:01:23,810 as in throne that you sit on, the one that he let Kevin Spacey and Colin Maxwell sit on.
34 00:01:23,820 –> 00:01:25,020 Do you remember that photo,
35 00:01:25,020 –> 00:01:25,460 Jen?
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36 00:01:26,140 –> 00:01:27,790 Seared in my eyeballs,
37 00:01:27,820 –> 00:01:31,870 The narcissist formerly known as Prince Andrew.
38 00:01:32,030 –> 00:01:33,700 They stole that from me.
39 00:01:33,710 –> 00:01:36,780 As soon as I heard I was like Andrew,
40 00:01:36,790 –> 00:01:38,160 formerly known as Prince.
41 00:01:38,540 –> 00:01:42,210 Maybe Ghislaine’s sister could loan him a raspberry beret.
42 00:01:42,220 –> 00:01:44,400 She likes a beret just like Prince.
43 00:01:44,400 –> 00:01:45,400 That was your analogy,
44 00:01:45,400 –> 00:01:45,980 wasn’t it?
45 00:01:46,060 –> 00:01:47,200 Certainly was.
46 00:01:47,210 –> 00:01:47,870 Okay,
47 00:01:47,870 –> 00:01:52,280 so the Queen strips son of His Royal Highness title.
48 00:01:52,290 –> 00:01:52,920 Up until then,
49 00:01:52,920 –> 00:01:58,360 it was only naughty people like Diana and Harry to people who were just trying to live their life.
50 00:01:58,440 –> 00:02:03,000 If you compare it to what is going on here with Andrew is significantly different,
51 00:02:03,010 –> 00:02:04,890 and he’ll face claims.
52 00:02:04,900 –> 00:02:07,260 He’s just plain old Andrew.
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53 00:02:07,320 –> 00:02:09,960 He’s also lost his military titles,
54 00:02:10,070 –> 00:02:12,160 and his royal patronage is.
55 00:02:12,190 –> 00:02:16,550 And the times Andrew humiliated as Queen strips his titles.
56 00:02:16,560 –> 00:02:17,250 Prince Andrew,
57 00:02:17,250 –> 00:02:19,710 cast out by the Queen. Queen,
58 00:02:19,710 –> 00:02:21,140 freezes out Andrew.
59 00:02:21,150 –> 00:02:22,880 So it’s very,
60 00:02:22,890 –> 00:02:27,100 very unprecedented ties for the royal family.
But Jen, I believe they had to choose between the monarchy or him.
63 00:02:31,240 –> 00:02:31,990 They did,
64 00:02:32,000 –> 00:02:44,250 and I feel that they held off until it was decided whether or not his motion to dismiss the civil case that Virginia has brought against him when that was thrown out and the case is going ahead,
65 00:02:44,300 –> 00:02:47,160 I think then the queen had to do something.
66 00:02:47,440 –> 00:02:47,660 Oh,
67 00:02:47,660 –> 00:02:47,920 yes.
68 00:02:47,920 –> 00:02:49,790 This is not about doing the right thing.
This is about covering their own a$ses.
70 00:02:52,840 –> 00:02:54,350 Absolutely.
71 00:02:54,360 –> 00:02:55,660 So the BBC,
72 00:02:55,660 –> 00:03:04,550 I thought I’d go to them for some commentary because they would know this was a ruthless piece of palace politics distancing the royal family from one of its own.
73 00:03:04,560 –> 00:03:07,120 There was no waiting to see if Prince Andrew,
74 00:03:07,120 –> 00:03:07,960 the Duke of York,
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75 00:03:07,960 –> 00:03:08,270 could.
76 00:03:08,280 –> 00:03:08,700 Oh,
77 00:03:08,710 –> 00:03:09,960 there you go.
78 00:03:10,340 –> 00:03:12,370 They’re saying here it happened before Jen.
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79 00:03:12,380 –> 00:03:15,630 So he’s already lost the use of His Royal Highness,
80 00:03:15,630 –> 00:03:17,440 and military links have been severed.
81 00:03:17,450 –> 00:03:20,560 Brutal tweeted royal commentator Peter Hunt.
82 00:03:21,040 –> 00:03:24,230 The Windsors have shown that the institution is under threat.
83 00:03:24,230 –> 00:03:27,430 Dynastic preservation trumps flesh and blood.
84 00:03:27,430 –> 00:03:28,190 Absolutely.
Because the number one thing they learn in that family is you have to do absolutely everything to ensure the survival of the monarchy.
86 00:03:36,840 –> 00:03:37,860 Let’s think about it.
87 00:03:37,870 –> 00:03:39,700 It’s been there for 1000 years,
88 00:03:39,700 –> 00:03:40,220 hasn’t it?
89 00:03:40,380 –> 00:03:45,000 And it survived a king allegedly killing his two nephews,
90 00:03:45,010 –> 00:03:45,690 Right?
91 00:03:45,700 –> 00:03:47,610 And then there was a revolution.
92 00:03:47,620 –> 00:03:50,850 And then there was someone who liked to cut everyone’s heads off for a while.
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93 00:03:50,860 –> 00:03:51,310 Oh,
94 00:03:51,310 –> 00:03:52,800 and then there was another one.
95 00:03:52,810 –> 00:03:54,030 And then there was Henry the eighth.
96 00:03:54,040 –> 00:03:55,590 So it survived all that.
But can it survive a pervert? Jeffrey Epstein Prince Andrew
98 00:03:58,040 –> 00:03:58,610 Well,
99 00:03:58,620 –> 00:04:03,350 it survived a king abdicating to marry a divorced woman,
100 00:04:03,840 –> 00:04:05,030 an American,
101 00:04:05,040 –> 00:04:06,000 an American.
102 00:04:06,000 –> 00:04:08,850 And word has it a Nazi sympathiser.
103 00:04:09,240 –> 00:04:10,100 Yes,
104 00:04:10,110 –> 00:04:11,430 they were friends with Hitler.
107 00:04:13,440 –> 00:04:16,330 So what does this mean for Fergie?
108 00:04:16,330 –> 00:04:22,460 I know it’s meant she’s had to cancel or put on ice her story time with Fergie.
109 00:04:22,940 –> 00:04:23,360 Okay,
110 00:04:23,360 –> 00:04:26,070 so Fergie is Prince Andrew’s ex wife,
111 00:04:26,080 –> 00:04:27,170 Sarah Ferguson,
112 00:04:27,180 –> 00:04:28,280 the Duchess of York,
113 00:04:28,290 –> 00:04:32,110 and they have a rather bizarre relationship where they live together at Royal Lodge,
114 00:04:32,110 –> 00:04:34,260 which is part of the Windsor Castle.
115 00:04:34,270 –> 00:04:35,080 Great Park,
116 00:04:35,080 –> 00:04:35,960 as they call it.
117 00:04:36,340 –> 00:04:39,290 She’s had a rather bizarre YouTube channel,
118 00:04:39,290 –> 00:04:40,820 and we’ve also parried it,
119 00:04:40,820 –> 00:04:41,220 haven’t we?
120 00:04:41,220 –> 00:04:45,020 Jet and it’s had more than 20,000 views our video,
121 00:04:45,020 –> 00:04:46,850 and I’ll put the link in the show notes.
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122 00:04:47,110 –> 00:04:48,130 We’re proud of that.
123 00:04:48,280 –> 00:04:48,590 See,
124 00:04:48,590 –> 00:04:57,110 Fergie apparently moved back in because of the princess’s now both their daughters have married and have had Children.
125 00:04:57,120 –> 00:05:00,110 Yet Fergie is still in the home with Andrew.
126 00:05:00,200 –> 00:05:02,560 I don’t think she’s got anywhere else to go.
127 00:05:02,940 –> 00:05:03,990 Who would want her?
Prince William apparently wanted to kick her out because he was sick of her doing magazine shoots in their house and also just to let you know Fergie took money from Jeffrey Epstein.
129 00:05:13,840 –> 00:05:14,670 That’s right,
130 00:05:14,670 –> 00:05:16,860 she did to cover her debts,
131 00:05:16,940 –> 00:05:18,210 and she knows Ghislaine.
133 00:05:22,900 –> 00:05:28,500 the Finnish Canadian clothing designer whose up on sex trafficking charges as well.
134 00:05:28,500 –> 00:05:30,560 So she’s got some dodgy friends.
135 00:05:30,940 –> 00:05:35,790 And what’s interesting about that Easter holiday she spent at Nygard’s.
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Andrew was a little bit late because he was on Jeffrey Epstein’s island.
137 00:05:40,450 –> 00:05:41,430 Allegedly,
138 00:05:41,430 –> 00:05:42,540 he disputes it.
139 00:05:42,540 –> 00:05:42,780 Yes,
140 00:05:42,780 –> 00:05:43,550 he does.
141 00:05:43,570 –> 00:05:45,950 So it could be seen as inevitable,
142 00:05:45,950 –> 00:05:47,130 the BBC says,
143 00:05:47,130 –> 00:05:48,820 rather than facing endless,
144 00:05:48,830 –> 00:05:51,270 awkward questions about Prince Andrew’s future.
145 00:05:51,280 –> 00:05:53,560 Not that they’ve ever answered them.
146 00:05:53,940 –> 00:05:56,580 Buckingham Palace has made a preemptive strike,
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147 00:05:56,590 –> 00:06:00,880 effectively announcing that he will never return to an official royal role.
148 00:06:00,890 –> 00:06:01,620 In my opinion,
149 00:06:01,620 –> 00:06:05,550 he was done when he did that BBC interview in 2000 and 19.
150 00:06:05,940 –> 00:06:08,100 So now he’s a private citizen.
151 00:06:08,100 –> 00:06:11,190 And one who cannot go to America.
152 00:06:11,200 –> 00:06:12,660 Will he get a job?
153 00:06:13,040 –> 00:06:14,570 Maybe if you go back in the Navy,
154 00:06:14,570 –> 00:06:15,350 would they have him?
155 00:06:15,560 –> 00:06:16,190 I doubt it.
156 00:06:16,190 –> 00:06:19,750 If they want his honest stripped absolutely.
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157 00:06:20,240 –> 00:06:22,760 And there’s a lot of talk that he’s damaged the brand.
158 00:06:22,760 –> 00:06:22,890 Well,
159 00:06:22,890 –> 00:06:23,670 what about the girls?
160 00:06:23,670 –> 00:06:29,760 He’s damaged and then they start to talk about I’m sick of hearing about the Queen’s Jubilee plans,
161 00:06:29,760 –> 00:06:30,570 quite frankly,
162 00:06:30,570 –> 00:06:32,750 because I’ve seen these people do this before.
163 00:06:32,840 –> 00:06:35,490 Remember back in 2000 and 11,
164 00:06:35,490 –> 00:06:37,310 when Kate and William were married?
165 00:06:37,320 –> 00:06:38,930 There were concerns in Vanity Fair,
166 00:06:38,930 –> 00:06:40,020 then from Andrew’s,
167 00:06:40,020 –> 00:06:43,130 people that would take away the gloss from their wedding.
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The story about Andrew and Virginia like Come on.
169 00:06:45,650 –> 00:06:48,340 So now we’re talking about the Jubilee Congratulations,
170 00:06:48,340 –> 00:06:48,750 queen,
171 00:06:48,750 –> 00:06:49,890 but I really don’t care
I care about these girls and there’s more than one and you know it and I know it.
173 00:06:54,380 –> 00:06:55,870 So I’ll just read you.
174 00:06:55,870 –> 00:07:07,610 Her statement about her alleged favourite son with the queen’s approval and agreement the Duke of York’s military affiliations and royal patronage is have been returned to the Queen,
175 00:07:07,620 –> 00:07:15,750 the Duke of York will continue not to undertake any public duties and is defending the case as a private citizen.
176 00:07:15,760 –> 00:07:21,210 Now there’s been a lot of talk about Virginia just wanting it for the money.
177 00:07:21,220 –> 00:07:23,260 She’s come out and basically said,
178 00:07:23,260 –> 00:07:23,770 Nope.
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179 00:07:23,780 –> 00:07:24,760 So do you think now,
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181 00:07:25,510 –> 00:07:27,640 because the judges said cases going ahead,
182 00:07:27,640 –> 00:07:29,150 Do you think he’s going to throw money at her?
183 00:07:29,440 –> 00:07:30,910 He can throw money at her,
184 00:07:30,910 –> 00:07:32,400 potentially a castle.
185 00:07:32,400 –> 00:07:34,290 He could give her a bridge.
186 00:07:34,300 –> 00:07:36,320 He could also request that she has,
187 00:07:36,330 –> 00:07:36,800 I don’t know,
188 00:07:36,800 –> 00:07:41,140 a small principality in the Falklands because that’s his area.
189 00:07:41,150 –> 00:07:42,140 But she’ll say No,
190 00:07:42,150 –> 00:07:46,390 I can guarantee it because people like to say Virginia Giuffre’s is out for money.
191 00:07:46,400 –> 00:07:47,960 She’s not in it for money.
192 00:07:47,970 –> 00:07:48,610 To be honest,
193 00:07:48,610 –> 00:07:51,690 I think she would say she’s got more than enough to be comfortable.
195 00:07:56,810 –> 00:07:59,970 And she’s coming for Epstein and his mates one by one.
197 00:08:01,330 –> 00:08:05,280 I would be looking at this and I would be absolutely sweating.
198 00:08:05,290 –> 00:08:07,450 She’s shaking the tree.
199 00:08:07,840 –> 00:08:09,040 She is now the Dubins .
200 00:08:09,040 –> 00:08:10,910 They were friends of Epstein’s,
201 00:08:10,920 –> 00:08:13,830 their high profile billionaire couple in New York,
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202 00:08:13,840 –> 00:08:14,080 okay?
203 00:08:14,080 –> 00:08:14,760 She didn’t know,
204 00:08:15,240 –> 00:08:15,710 but yes,
205 00:08:15,710 –> 00:08:16,180 you’re right.
206 00:08:16,180 –> 00:08:17,300 And she’s shaking the tree.
207 00:08:17,300 –> 00:08:19,080 This is about the big picture,
208 00:08:19,080 –> 00:08:21,890 and they’ve always Her lawyers have always had the eye on the price.
209 00:08:21,890 –> 00:08:23,070 They know what they’re doing.
210 00:08:23,080 –> 00:08:25,820 And that’s why she went Prince Andrew.
211 00:08:25,830 –> 00:08:31,590 So it has been an epic fall for the former war hero and son of the Queen.
212 00:08:31,600 –> 00:08:32,750 What will happen next,
213 00:08:32,750 –> 00:08:33,150 Chin?
214 00:08:33,240 –> 00:08:33,790 Well,
215 00:08:33,790 –> 00:08:36,660 the documents have been flying about his case.
216 00:08:37,040 –> 00:08:37,530 They have,
217 00:08:37,530 –> 00:08:38,070 haven’t they?
218 00:08:38,080 –> 00:08:40,550 She wants to speak to Shakuri Walker,
219 00:08:40,560 –> 00:08:50,450 who claims to have seen Prince Andrew at Tramp nightclub in London with a young girl around the time that the plaintiff contends Prince Andrew abused her.
220 00:08:51,040 –> 00:08:52,430 Now she went public.
221 00:08:52,440 –> 00:08:53,910 Now let me get the years right.
222 00:08:53,910 –> 00:08:54,890 Not last year,
223 00:08:54,900 –> 00:08:56,160 the year before,
224 00:08:56,640 –> 00:08:59,610 and she apparently offered to help the FBI,
225 00:08:59,620 –> 00:09:02,230 but they politely turned down the request.
226 00:09:02,240 –> 00:09:03,380 According to her lawyer,
227 00:09:03,520 –> 00:09:04,410 Lisa Bloom.
228 00:09:04,450 –> 00:09:05,060 Yes.
229 00:09:05,440 –> 00:09:09,760 Virginia also wants to depose Robert Aston Olney,
230 00:09:10,140 –> 00:09:14,230 who is the former assistant of Prince Andrew.
231 00:09:14,290 –> 00:09:14,540 Now,
232 00:09:14,540 –> 00:09:19,450 he was in charge of his travel where he was accommodation,
233 00:09:19,630 –> 00:09:21,550 possibly even his clothing.
234 00:09:21,940 –> 00:09:22,290 Oh,
235 00:09:22,290 –> 00:09:24,960 you’re going to a warm tropical island.
236 00:09:25,640 –> 00:09:26,030 Oh,
237 00:09:26,030 –> 00:09:28,090 we’re going to New York in winter,
238 00:09:28,090 –> 00:09:29,750 you might need a coach,
239 00:09:30,640 –> 00:09:34,320 so this guy would have a lot of information.
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240 00:09:34,330 –> 00:09:38,160 He’d know his schedule backwards because he was in charge.
241 00:09:38,160 –> 00:09:39,720 He was the assistant.
242 00:09:39,730 –> 00:09:40,460 Equally,
243 00:09:40,640 –> 00:09:41,560 as they say,
244 00:09:41,940 –> 00:09:42,510 Yes,
245 00:09:42,520 –> 00:09:44,730 And he’s also in Epstein’s Little Black Book,
246 00:09:44,730 –> 00:09:46,230 which is actually Galanes.
247 00:09:46,250 –> 00:09:49,050 That’s right under the Duke of York.
248 00:09:49,110 –> 00:09:52,760 He must have so much access to emails for a start.
249 00:09:52,760 –> 00:09:54,400 Could you imagine Be so good?
250 00:09:54,400 –> 00:09:56,880 The discovery is going to be fantastic.
251 00:09:57,000 –> 00:09:59,890 It is going to be absolutely amazing.
252 00:09:59,900 –> 00:10:00,130 Now.
253 00:10:00,130 –> 00:10:02,130 It’s interesting with Shakuri Walker.
254 00:10:02,140 –> 00:10:03,660 She did come out,
255 00:10:03,670 –> 00:10:04,400 as you were saying,
256 00:10:04,400 –> 00:10:05,790 the year before last,
257 00:10:05,800 –> 00:10:11,160 and she has agreed to appear in the upcoming civil case if they need her.
258 00:10:11,160 –> 00:10:17,400 And she said she will absolutely tell the court that she saw the Duke of York at Tramp back in 2000 and one.
259 00:10:17,410 –> 00:10:20,480 Now she’s also a survivor of sex trafficking.
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260 00:10:20,480 –> 00:10:21,230 Did you know that,
261 00:10:21,230 –> 00:10:21,490 Jen,
262 00:10:21,490 –> 00:10:28,740 You probably do so when she saw him in that interview on the BBC and she was totally not impressed by his answers.
263 00:10:28,740 –> 00:10:31,640 And I think for her it was personal because of what had happened to her,
264 00:10:31,640 –> 00:10:33,400 because she’s from Somalia.
265 00:10:33,410 –> 00:10:34,860 But Now she lives in London.
266 00:10:35,340 –> 00:10:37,800 So as for Prince Andrew’s assistant,
267 00:10:37,810 –> 00:10:39,520 he’s like a ghost on the Internet.
268 00:10:39,530 –> 00:10:43,870 All I can find is an association with Stubs and Press Lynn Limited.
269 00:10:43,880 –> 00:10:45,520 And it was a company,
270 00:10:45,520 –> 00:10:50,270 a management consultant company that was dissolved in 2021.
271 00:10:50,280 –> 00:10:53,050 So that’s basically it Now.
272 00:10:53,050 –> 00:10:56,680 There’s been another document in this case,
273 00:10:56,680 –> 00:10:59,340 which is the Virginia V.
274 00:10:59,490 –> 00:11:02,460 Andrew no longer Prince Andrew H.
275 00:11:02,460 –> 00:11:02,790 R.
276 00:11:02,800 –> 00:11:03,520 H.
277 00:11:03,530 –> 00:11:05,930 It was sent in by cigarette,
278 00:11:05,940 –> 00:11:16,660 and it’s about stipulated confidentiality and protective order and its discussing what should remain sealed and what can be out there in the public.
279 00:11:16,840 –> 00:11:28,010 The producing party may designate as confidential only the portion of such material that is reasonably and in good faith consists of a medical,
280 00:11:28,020 –> 00:11:31,660 mental health and or other health care records,
281 00:11:31,720 –> 00:11:33,970 which means they can be produced in court,
282 00:11:33,970 –> 00:11:35,860 but they can’t be made public.
283 00:11:37,140 –> 00:11:37,500 Also,
284 00:11:37,500 –> 00:11:39,300 Social Security numbers,
285 00:11:39,300 –> 00:11:40,670 personal phone numbers,
286 00:11:40,680 –> 00:11:41,510 tax returns,
287 00:11:41,510 –> 00:11:44,580 credit and banking information sealed.
288 00:11:44,650 –> 00:11:46,280 And this is the kicker.
289 00:11:46,420 –> 00:11:51,570 Names of alleged miners names plural,
290 00:11:51,710 –> 00:11:54,050 alleged minors.
291 00:11:54,940 –> 00:11:56,890 So what does that indicate to you,
313 00:12:54,990 –> 00:12:57,930 So there are other women who have seen Andrew around,
314 00:12:57,930 –> 00:12:59,180 plus these Russian girls,
315 00:12:59,180 –> 00:13:01,470 and do you want to know the kicker and what Epstein says,
316 00:13:01,470 –> 00:13:02,720 and this is how revolting.
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317 00:13:02,720 –> 00:13:04,190 Here’s he told Virginia.
318 00:13:04,200 –> 00:13:04,370 Oh,
319 00:13:04,370 –> 00:13:04,560 yeah,
320 00:13:04,560 –> 00:13:06,010 I like the overseas girls.
321 00:13:06,020 –> 00:13:07,020 They don’t speak English.
322 00:13:07,020 –> 00:13:08,090 It’s easier for me.
323 00:13:08,090 –> 00:13:08,660 It’s better.
324 00:13:08,740 –> 00:13:09,510 And of course,
325 00:13:09,510 –> 00:13:11,560 if they’re overseas girls.
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326 00:13:11,940 –> 00:13:17,880 He also could hold over immigration status and visas over their heads or hide their phones.
327 00:13:17,890 –> 00:13:18,810 That’s another thing.
328 00:13:18,820 –> 00:13:19,740 Passports,
329 00:13:19,860 –> 00:13:20,600 their passports.
330 00:13:20,600 –> 00:13:23,730 That was done before by two other people involved in the case.
331 00:13:23,730 –> 00:13:28,750 But also Andrew spent a lot of time at Epstein’s place in Paris.
332 00:13:28,750 –> 00:13:29,170 Jen,
333 00:13:29,180 –> 00:13:32,550 and we have not heard that much about the girls in Paris.
334 00:13:32,740 –> 00:13:33,460 That’s right.
335 00:13:33,840 –> 00:13:34,890 And Jean Luc Brunel,
336 00:13:34,890 –> 00:13:39,230 who’s on trial now for sexual assault allegations in Paris.
337 00:13:39,230 –> 00:13:42,260 He was a very close friend of Epstein and Maxwell,
338 00:13:42,270 –> 00:13:43,890 so you never never know,
339 00:13:43,890 –> 00:13:44,780 do you?
340 00:13:44,790 –> 00:13:48,660 When the French authorities raided Jean Luc Brunell’s house,
341 00:13:48,670 –> 00:13:52,950 they also went into Epstein’s main apartment at the same time.
342 00:13:53,140 –> 00:13:54,950 That was in the middle of the afternoon.
343 00:13:54,950 –> 00:13:56,890 Both places were raided.
344 00:13:57,080 –> 00:14:01,530 They remained in Epstein’s unit until three o’clock in the morning,
345 00:14:01,540 –> 00:14:02,980 according to neighbours.
346 00:14:03,130 –> 00:14:07,120 Now there’s another document that has just dropped in this case,
347 00:14:07,380 –> 00:14:14,950 and it’s Andrew requesting to depose Robert Giuffra now that is Virginia’s husband.
348 00:14:15,340 –> 00:14:16,380 But it’s not just Robert.
349 00:14:16,380 –> 00:14:17,930 He wants to put under oath.
350 00:14:17,940 –> 00:14:21,140 He also wants to put under oath Virginia’s doctor,
351 00:14:21,310 –> 00:14:23,050 Dr Judith Lightfoot,
352 00:14:23,940 –> 00:14:27,990 now over in the Alan Dershowitz civil case,
353 00:14:28,000 –> 00:14:28,940 Alan Dershowitz,
354 00:14:28,940 –> 00:14:32,580 Who is Epstein is a longtime friend and former lawyer,
355 00:14:32,610 –> 00:14:35,090 so he also represented Trump and O.
356 00:14:35,090 –> 00:14:35,610 J.
357 00:14:35,620 –> 00:14:37,800 And other high profile clients.
358 00:14:37,860 –> 00:14:41,870 He spent a good six months trying to get that civil suit thrown out.
359 00:14:41,880 –> 00:14:43,350 And when that didn’t work,
360 00:14:43,440 –> 00:14:48,340 he then lodged a counterclaim of defamation against Virginia.
361 00:14:48,340 –> 00:14:52,950 She actually wants to depose Caroline Minor Victim four.
362 00:14:53,130 –> 00:14:55,590 So Document 3 97.
363 00:14:55,600 –> 00:14:57,900 In the Jeffrey V.
364 00:14:57,990 –> 00:14:59,330 Dershowitz case,
365 00:14:59,430 –> 00:15:00,030 he writes,
366 00:15:00,030 –> 00:15:09,400 defendant Alan Dershowitz professor respectfully requests a pre motion conference at which he will seek leave to move for an order deemed,
367 00:15:09,400 –> 00:15:10,280 as admitted,
368 00:15:10,290 –> 00:15:12,060 certain requests for admission.
369 00:15:12,070 –> 00:15:17,860 Which plaintiff has refused to answer concerning her recruitment of Caroline.
370 00:15:18,340 –> 00:15:24,490 And I’m not going to use her surname to provide sexual massages to Jeffrey Epstein,
371 00:15:24,500 –> 00:15:29,040 Caroline testified as a witness for the government in United States v.
372 00:15:29,040 –> 00:15:29,870 Maxwell.
373 00:15:29,880 –> 00:15:32,610 Shortly after her testimony,
374 00:15:32,620 –> 00:15:35,560 Professor Dershowitz propounded the request,
375 00:15:35,560 –> 00:15:41,020 which essentially asked her to admit or deny the accuracy of Carolyn’s testimonies.
376 00:15:41,020 –> 00:15:45,090 Set forth Plaintiff has refused to respond to the requests,
377 00:15:45,100 –> 00:15:49,210 principally on the grounds that they are irrelevant now.
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378 00:15:49,210 –> 00:16:02,560 Dershowitz’s requests for admission to Virginia about Caroline include please admit that you introduce Caroline to Jeffrey Epstein when she was 14 or 15 years old.
379 00:16:03,040 –> 00:16:08,130 Please admit that at the time you introduce Caroline to Jeffrey Epstein,
380 00:16:08,140 –> 00:16:11,010 you were at least 18 years old.
381 00:16:11,020 –> 00:16:15,400 Please admit that Caroline was called as a witness in the United States v.
382 00:16:15,400 –> 00:16:16,060 Maxwell.
383 00:16:16,640 –> 00:16:25,850 Please admit that you told Caroline that she could be paid $300 to give a massage to a rich man in Palm Beach.
384 00:16:26,240 –> 00:16:32,660 Please admit that you told Carolyn to dress provocatively for her meeting with Epstein.
385 00:16:33,040 –> 00:16:38,240 Please admit that you told Carolyn that if Jeffrey Epstein asked her age,
386 00:16:38,250 –> 00:16:41,410 she should tell him she was 17 years old.
387 00:16:41,440 –> 00:16:47,350 Please admit that the first time Caroline accompanied you to Jeffrey Epstein’s house in Palm Beach,
388 00:16:47,380 –> 00:16:51,300 you had sex with Mr Epstein in front of Caroline.
389 00:16:51,450 –> 00:17:01,480 Please admit that you solicited Caroline to accompany you to Jeffrey Epstein’s house in Palm Beach by telling her she would be paid $300.
390 00:17:01,690 –> 00:17:08,100 Please admit that Jeffrey Epstein paid you to introduce Caroline to him.
391 00:17:08,240 –> 00:17:15,160 Please admit that Jeffrey Epstein paid you to solicit Caroline and that signed Howard M.
392 00:17:15,160 –> 00:17:15,850 Cooper,
393 00:17:15,860 –> 00:17:19,060 who is one of Alan Dershowitz’s attorneys.
394 00:17:19,740 –> 00:17:24,340 So he’s really trying to push the fact that Virginia recruited Caroline.
395 00:17:24,480 –> 00:17:26,080 That’s not in question at all.
396 00:17:26,080 –> 00:17:26,460 Is it?
397 00:17:27,140 –> 00:17:27,620 No,
398 00:17:27,620 –> 00:17:28,790 that is not in question.
399 00:17:28,790 –> 00:17:32,810 Virginia has said that she did help recruit girls for Epstein,
400 00:17:32,860 –> 00:17:34,940 and she at the time was a victim.
401 00:17:34,940 –> 00:17:36,470 She was doing what she was told,
402 00:17:36,470 –> 00:17:37,450 what she was groomed,
403 00:17:37,450 –> 00:17:40,130 what she was coerced to do.
404 00:17:40,340 –> 00:17:43,710 But this is the line they’ve been running with for a very long time.
405 00:17:43,710 –> 00:17:45,940 Now it’s getting old dash.
406 00:17:46,040 –> 00:17:47,360 Isn’t he dying anyway?
407 00:17:47,440 –> 00:17:50,770 He seems to be very busy For someone who says he’s dying,
408 00:17:51,440 –> 00:17:52,270 that’s true.
409 00:17:53,940 –> 00:17:54,300 Now,
410 00:17:54,310 –> 00:17:56,010 over in the main case,
411 00:17:56,020 –> 00:17:57,160 US v.
412 00:17:57,190 –> 00:17:58,150 Elaine Maxwell,
413 00:17:58,210 –> 00:18:00,960 they have set a date for sentencing.
414 00:18:01,340 –> 00:18:03,390 It’s an order from Judge Nathan.
415 00:18:03,510 –> 00:18:12,330 The court is in receipt of the Parties Joint letter regarding a schedule for sentencing and resolution of the severed perjury counts.
416 00:18:12,510 –> 00:18:19,640 The court hereby schedules the sentencing in this matter for June 28 2022.
417 00:18:19,650 –> 00:18:20,960 At 11 AM,
418 00:18:21,440 –> 00:18:31,370 the court will delay ordering the preparation of a pre sentence investigation report until April 2022.
419 00:18:31,440 –> 00:18:39,050 The court previously set the schedule for briefing on the new trial notion as well as all other post verdict motions.
420 00:18:39,240 –> 00:18:50,180 The court adopts the party’s proposal that the scheduling of any proceedings related to the severed perjury counts be deferred until the post verdict motions are resolved.
421 00:18:50,190 –> 00:18:51,780 By January 18,
422 00:18:51,790 –> 00:19:05,060 the government shall indicate in a joint letter whether it is seeking an exclusion of time under the Speedy Trials Act for the perjury counts and the basis for any requested exclusion.
423 00:19:05,540 –> 00:19:06,550 In the joint letter,
424 00:19:06,560 –> 00:19:12,950 the defence shall indicate whether it consents to the proposed exclusion of time.
425 00:19:13,640 –> 00:19:17,560 So she’s going to find out how long she’s going to be in prison in June.
426 00:19:17,940 –> 00:19:18,370 Yes,
427 00:19:18,370 –> 00:19:18,780 Jen,
428 00:19:18,790 –> 00:19:19,750 Not long now,
429 00:19:19,750 –> 00:19:20,270 is it?
430 00:19:20,640 –> 00:19:24,710 It’s exciting now that whole severing of the perjury charges,
431 00:19:24,720 –> 00:19:27,630 I think that comes down to the government has said,
432 00:19:27,630 –> 00:19:28,040 Well,
433 00:19:28,050 –> 00:19:34,940 we won’t try you on them if you give up the whole mistrial based on the juror number 50 shit store,
434 00:19:34,950 –> 00:19:38,300 which basically has no legs to stand on now,
435 00:19:38,300 –> 00:19:43,900 The civil suit that Virginia was involved with Jan Skylar Laine Maxwell for defamation.
436 00:19:43,900 –> 00:19:47,670 Now that was back in 2015 2016.
437 00:19:48,440 –> 00:19:48,650 Now,
438 00:19:48,650 –> 00:19:49,990 for years now,
439 00:19:50,000 –> 00:19:55,850 they’ve been fighting over keeping the names sealed of non party does.
440 00:19:56,740 –> 00:19:56,980 Now,
441 00:19:56,980 –> 00:19:58,220 when we say does,
442 00:19:58,230 –> 00:20:01,660 it could be a Jane Doe or a John Doe.
443 00:20:02,440 –> 00:20:03,570 Now both sides,
444 00:20:03,580 –> 00:20:06,340 and these nonparty does had to,
445 00:20:06,570 –> 00:20:07,020 I suppose,
446 00:20:07,020 –> 00:20:14,170 make a request or an appeal to the courts stating why they should be unsealed or in the does cases kept sealed.
447 00:20:14,540 –> 00:20:15,350 The other day,
448 00:20:15,390 –> 00:20:21,770 Gala Maxwell said she had withdrawn any opposition to unsealing these names.
449 00:20:22,940 –> 00:20:23,390 To me,
450 00:20:23,390 –> 00:20:26,270 that reeks of taking her bat and ball and going home.
451 00:20:26,840 –> 00:20:31,430 Now the objecting does are at this stage known by numbers.
452 00:20:31,440 –> 00:20:33,660 They are does 17,
453 00:20:34,040 –> 00:20:42,720 73 93 151 along with 55 56.
454 00:20:43,020 –> 00:20:47,950 There is a dough 53 that does not oppose the unsealing,
455 00:20:48,840 –> 00:20:49,560 and oh,
456 00:20:49,570 –> 00:20:54,550 54 does not generally oppose the unsealing.
457 00:20:54,940 –> 00:21:03,490 So I went digging because the table that was put to the court listed where there were references to these days where their names were redacted.
458 00:21:03,620 –> 00:21:04,510 And sure enough,
459 00:21:04,520 –> 00:21:07,400 there was a little bit of a mistake in one document,
460 00:21:07,420 –> 00:21:08,720 and they left No.
461 00:21:08,720 –> 00:21:13,250 50 three’s name unredacted in one part of the document.
462 00:21:13,270 –> 00:21:15,760 But in the body it was redacted,
463 00:21:16,340 –> 00:21:17,460 but they were all numbered.
464 00:21:17,460 –> 00:21:20,650 So you knew that 14 whose name was redacted.
465 00:21:20,660 –> 00:21:24,770 There it was on the index under 14 as Alexandra Hall,
466 00:21:25,140 –> 00:21:26,760 who is a survivor,
467 00:21:27,540 –> 00:21:30,180 so we know that Dough 53 is a survivor.
468 00:21:30,190 –> 00:21:41,030 And from what I’ve read about 50 for it’s either another survivor or a staff member who’d probably wasn’t involved in any physical or sexual abuse.
469 00:21:41,040 –> 00:21:43,000 So after going through the documents,
470 00:21:43,010 –> 00:21:46,950 I put up a piece on our website Jeffrey Epstein podcast dot com.
471 00:21:47,340 –> 00:21:53,770 But I’ll just quickly dive into the does 55 56 now.
472 00:21:53,770 –> 00:21:57,460 They submitted their request to the court together,
473 00:21:57,470 –> 00:22:01,790 and they aren’t named together in one of the depositions.
474 00:22:01,800 –> 00:22:03,860 So they were dealt together,
475 00:22:04,340 –> 00:22:08,170 and I mentioned in four experts of the same deposition.
476 00:22:08,640 –> 00:22:16,750 Virginia’s lawyers said that their objections are predicated on the notion that the deposition itself is unreliable.
477 00:22:16,760 –> 00:22:21,350 Neither reasons surmount the proposition of public access,
478 00:22:21,360 –> 00:22:25,000 such to warrant continued ceiling further.
479 00:22:25,000 –> 00:22:33,770 The names of both does 55 56 have already been the subject of media attention in connection with Epstein and Maxwell,
480 00:22:34,140 –> 00:22:53,500 mitigating the risk of any specific harm resulting from any unwarranted attention to the deposition where they are mentioned further does 55 56 argument that they did not have a chance to refute the DuPont Dent’s That’s the person who makes the deposition is unavailing,
481 00:22:53,500 –> 00:22:56,720 given their continued ability to do so.
482 00:22:56,720 –> 00:22:57,170 Now,
483 00:22:57,440 –> 00:23:05,160 there is simply nothing stopping them from responding to the opponent’s testimony if they contend it is false.
484 00:23:05,240 –> 00:23:09,860 But the most interesting one is Doe 151.
485 00:23:10,540 –> 00:23:16,350 They are mentioned in 47 different documents in this case.
486 00:23:16,660 –> 00:23:19,660 So more than any other dough from the beginning,
487 00:23:19,670 –> 00:23:22,450 right to the end to the document.
488 00:23:22,450 –> 00:23:24,180 That’s about the settlement agreement.
489 00:23:24,190 –> 00:23:27,140 This does name appears now.
490 00:23:27,150 –> 00:23:33,050 I have trawled through all 47 of these documents to see if there was a misplaced pro now.
491 00:23:33,090 –> 00:23:35,150 But unfortunately it was clean.
492 00:23:35,360 –> 00:23:40,300 And this is from Virginia’s attorneys 15 ones.
493 00:23:40,300 –> 00:23:46,240 Objections centres on the fact that they testified pursuant to a protective order,
494 00:23:46,250 –> 00:23:53,170 that they are trying to live a private life and do not want any attention stemming from disclosure.
495 00:23:53,540 –> 00:23:59,060 And they will be hounded and pursued by the media for comment and elaboration.
496 00:23:59,440 –> 00:24:00,360 Her lawyers right?
497 00:24:00,740 –> 00:24:02,040 These reasons yet again,
498 00:24:02,040 –> 00:24:04,960 do not justify continued ceiling.
499 00:24:05,540 –> 00:24:06,230 For starters,
500 00:24:06,230 –> 00:24:15,050 dough 151 and material associated with them has already been widely reported in the media.
501 00:24:15,940 –> 00:24:16,560 Indeed,
502 00:24:16,560 –> 00:24:28,870 such material mentioned in their objections has already been unsealed by the second Circuit in 2019 with respect to Doe 15 one’s health concerns.
503 00:24:28,880 –> 00:24:33,010 Although plaintiff would not want to put anyone’s health in jeopardy,
504 00:24:33,100 –> 00:24:38,850 much of the information about Dough 151 is already largely public.
505 00:24:38,950 –> 00:24:39,280 Thus,
506 00:24:39,290 –> 00:24:44,480 any privacy concerns cannot defeat the presumption of public access.
507 00:24:44,550 –> 00:24:45,310 Regardless,
508 00:24:45,310 –> 00:24:57,360 Dough 151 Reasons for not engaging with the media are irrelevant to this analysis and to the extent that they feel unduly limited in their ability to respond.
509 00:24:57,640 –> 00:24:58,180 Apparently,
510 00:24:58,180 –> 00:25:02,710 this dough has said that they have been the subject of a lot of media attention,
511 00:25:02,890 –> 00:25:08,860 and they have declined to engage and will continue to refuse comment going forward.
512 00:25:09,440 –> 00:25:16,090 So who is it that someone who is heavily involved with Glenn Maxwell They’re all over the documents in this case?
513 00:25:16,340 –> 00:25:18,410 Is it a Jane Doe or a John Doe?
514 00:25:18,420 –> 00:25:18,810 Is it,
515 00:25:18,810 –> 00:25:19,310 say,
516 00:25:19,320 –> 00:25:20,340 Sarah Kellen,
517 00:25:20,540 –> 00:25:24,860 Though Kaelin’s name is mentioned in other documents in this case,
518 00:25:24,870 –> 00:25:27,250 is it Alan Dershowitz Ill health?
519 00:25:27,260 –> 00:25:28,070 But then again,
520 00:25:28,080 –> 00:25:30,440 Allen is also mentioned in other documents.
521 00:25:30,440 –> 00:25:31,360 In this case.
522 00:25:31,440 –> 00:25:32,810 Is it Kelly Bovino,
523 00:25:32,820 –> 00:25:34,820 who was an assistant of delays?
524 00:25:34,900 –> 00:25:35,950 We don’t know.
525 00:25:36,140 –> 00:25:37,410 Was it Bill Clinton?
526 00:25:37,420 –> 00:25:39,860 We have no idea who this person is.
527 00:25:40,440 –> 00:25:41,990 We have theories,
528 00:25:42,110 –> 00:25:43,640 but we’ll wait to see.
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529 00:25:43,770 –> 00:25:46,670 So the judge has to make a ruling on that.
530 00:25:47,240 –> 00:25:47,670 So,
531 00:25:47,680 –> 00:25:47,960 too,
532 00:25:47,960 –> 00:25:49,550 does have got no problems.
533 00:25:49,940 –> 00:25:51,050 Except Dough,
534 00:25:51,060 –> 00:25:54,150 54 who is either a survivor of a staff member,
535 00:25:54,160 –> 00:25:54,880 is worried about.
536 00:25:54,880 –> 00:25:56,550 A transcription error,
537 00:25:56,560 –> 00:25:59,120 which is acknowledged by Virginia’s team,
538 00:25:59,150 –> 00:26:00,860 might shine them in a bad light,
539 00:26:01,240 –> 00:26:02,860 but it is a transcription error,
540 00:26:03,240 –> 00:26:06,960 so now we just have to sit and wait for that unsealing.
541 00:26:07,840 –> 00:26:10,100 I just wanted to jump in quickly and tell everyone.
542 00:26:10,100 –> 00:26:25,600 There was a story yesterday in the Daily Mail about how visitor logs obtained by daily mail dot com revealed Jeffrey Epstein was not always alone when he visited the Clinton White House between 1993 and 95 records show,
543 00:26:25,600 –> 00:26:26,930 he brought along eight women,
544 00:26:26,940 –> 00:26:28,960 including his girlfriend Selena,
545 00:26:28,960 –> 00:26:29,890 Middle Fort,
546 00:26:29,900 –> 00:26:31,240 Eva Andersson Dubin,
547 00:26:31,240 –> 00:26:33,770 Francis Jardine and Ghislaine Maxwell.
548 00:26:33,780 –> 00:26:38,570 His relationship with the four other women who accompanied him Jennifer Garrison,
549 00:26:38,580 –> 00:26:39,920 Shelley Gaffney,
550 00:26:39,930 –> 00:26:46,660 Jennifer Driver and excuse the pronunciation Liubov all over is unclear.
551 00:26:47,540 –> 00:26:48,570 Fascinating.
552 00:26:48,580 –> 00:26:50,460 So he didn’t just take the lane,
553 00:26:50,510 –> 00:26:51,650 he took a few.
554 00:26:51,770 –> 00:26:53,390 What could they have been doing?
555 00:26:53,390 –> 00:26:56,590 There wasn’t the same office as a blue dress.
556 00:26:56,690 –> 00:26:57,190 Okay, Jeffrey Epstein Prince Andrew
557 00:26:57,190 –> 00:26:58,080 I was thinking about that.
558 00:26:58,080 –> 00:27:01,140 Jen 93 to 95.
559 00:27:01,150 –> 00:27:04,230 I’ll go and check while you go into your Peter Nygard stuff,
560 00:27:04,240 –> 00:27:08,170 but I think that happened in 96 with Monica Lewinsky.
561 00:27:08,940 –> 00:27:11,100 If I sound really tired today,
562 00:27:11,270 –> 00:27:13,260 instead of going to bed last night,
563 00:27:13,840 –> 00:27:15,310 I was in a court hearing.
564 00:27:15,430 –> 00:27:20,670 It was Day three of Peter and I guards latest bail attempt.
565 00:27:21,640 –> 00:27:26,010 Now Nygaard is the Finnish born Canadian fashion designer.
566 00:27:26,100 –> 00:27:36,450 I prefer the term polyester designer who has allegedly raped and trafficked hundreds of young girls and women.
567 00:27:36,840 –> 00:27:40,280 The assaults and rapes took place in Canada,
568 00:27:40,290 –> 00:27:42,450 America and the Bahamas,
569 00:27:42,460 –> 00:27:47,060 as well as different locations in Europe and Asia.
570 00:27:47,940 –> 00:27:53,970 This bail hearing was for the Toronto charges that were laid last year.
571 00:27:53,980 –> 00:27:58,170 The charges include six counts of sexual assault.
572 00:27:58,840 –> 00:27:59,770 As I said,
573 00:27:59,780 –> 00:28:13,210 it was another bail attempt after he was arrested on behalf of the American government to be extradited to New York to face a raft of sex trafficking charges there.
574 00:28:13,410 –> 00:28:14,070 Of course,
575 00:28:14,080 –> 00:28:16,300 that bail attempt failed,
576 00:28:16,330 –> 00:28:18,270 and he spent about a year in jail.
577 00:28:18,640 –> 00:28:23,380 He was recently transferred to a prison in Toronto,
578 00:28:23,390 –> 00:28:28,660 and it was from this prison that he attended an online bail hearing.
579 00:28:29,240 –> 00:28:32,450 So there was three days of hearings spread over two weeks,
580 00:28:32,840 –> 00:28:36,170 and the decision will be handed down next week.
581 00:28:37,740 –> 00:28:51,330 There are two non publication orders placed on this bail hearing and before you cry censorship public needs to know this is the Canadian criminal system,
582 00:28:51,420 –> 00:28:53,670 the Canadian legal system.
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583 00:28:54,040 –> 00:28:58,600 It’s closer to the Australian system than the American system and here,
584 00:28:58,610 –> 00:29:11,060 the right to privacy to safety of alleged victims of horrific crimes that beats out the public’s need or thirst to know the details.
585 00:29:12,040 –> 00:29:15,040 So hopefully next week for the next episode,
586 00:29:15,050 –> 00:29:19,330 I’ll be able to tell you whether or not Nygard has been denied bail.
587 00:29:19,370 –> 00:29:27,850 I’m not going to take any steps in the dark or the light about what the judge will decide because of those two non publication bans.
588 00:29:28,240 –> 00:29:32,860 But the fact that no information is coming out is not about censorship.
589 00:29:33,340 –> 00:29:35,970 This is about centering the survivors,
590 00:29:35,980 –> 00:29:40,120 their safety and their emotional well being as well.
591 00:29:40,180 –> 00:29:42,200 It’s going to come out later anyway,
592 00:29:42,200 –> 00:29:43,170 during the trial.
593 00:29:43,940 –> 00:29:47,180 As for the extradition order at this stage,
594 00:29:47,190 –> 00:29:48,930 no decision has been made.
595 00:29:48,930 –> 00:29:51,960 It’s got to go to the minister of justice.
596 00:29:52,010 –> 00:29:59,210 My hope is for those Canadian survivors that he gets tried first in Toronto.
597 00:29:59,290 –> 00:30:04,060 And as soon as a verdict is reached that he’s thrown on a plane and sent to America.
598 00:30:04,640 –> 00:30:04,970 And then,
599 00:30:04,970 –> 00:30:08,450 after the New York trial he sent down to the Bahamas,
600 00:30:09,440 –> 00:30:11,180 guess what I found out.
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601 00:30:11,190 –> 00:30:13,530 Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton.
602 00:30:13,540 –> 00:30:16,670 Their affair was between 95 97.
603 00:30:17,140 –> 00:30:21,160 So this was the same time Epstein was going in there with other women.
604 00:30:21,540 –> 00:30:22,390 Yes,
605 00:30:22,590 –> 00:30:24,350 but does Clinton like brunettes,
606 00:30:24,350 –> 00:30:25,890 or does he just like everyone?
607 00:30:25,980 –> 00:30:26,180 Well,
608 00:30:26,180 –> 00:30:31,670 maybe he is avoiding all media interviews like dough 1 51.
609 00:30:32,140 –> 00:30:32,560 Well,
610 00:30:32,570 –> 00:30:33,360 I had a theory.
611 00:30:33,360 –> 00:30:34,050 It was him,
612 00:30:34,060 –> 00:30:34,390 because,
613 00:30:34,390 –> 00:30:34,780 remember,
614 00:30:34,780 –> 00:30:37,210 I tracked the lawyer down that made the requests.
615 00:30:37,220 –> 00:30:39,990 And he did work at the White House during the Clinton years,
616 00:30:39,990 –> 00:30:41,020 and so did his wife.
617 00:30:41,030 –> 00:30:41,990 But you never know.
618 00:30:41,990 –> 00:30:47,140 There are so many attorneys in New York that it could be anyone That’s true.
619 00:30:47,150 –> 00:30:47,720 So good.
620 00:30:47,720 –> 00:30:48,040 Oh,
621 00:30:48,050 –> 00:30:51,050 used a lawyer that used to be at the White House.
622 00:30:51,070 –> 00:30:52,560 Hmm.
623 00:30:52,840 –> 00:30:53,950 Interesting.
624 00:30:54,940 –> 00:30:55,680 Yes,
625 00:30:55,690 –> 00:30:56,560 we wait.
626 00:30:57,040 –> 00:30:59,170 But thank you so much for listening to us.
627 00:30:59,180 –> 00:31:00,400 We really appreciate it.
628 00:31:00,410 –> 00:31:04,220 And thank you to the wonderful person who sent us some coffee today.
629 00:31:04,220 –> 00:31:04,730 Jen,
630 00:31:04,740 –> 00:31:06,620 on our buy me a coffee app.
631 00:31:06,620 –> 00:31:12,710 We appreciate that we love our patreon supporters and we’re bringing our intern back next week.
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632 00:31:12,720 –> 00:31:13,350 We promise.
633 00:31:13,360 –> 00:31:16,550 It’s just it’s about to storm and we don’t want a disaster.
634 00:31:16,550 –> 00:31:17,330 But just stay in.
635 00:31:17,330 –> 00:31:19,020 The intern will be on her way.
636 00:31:19,030 –> 00:31:21,020 So if you’d like more information,
637 00:31:21,030 –> 00:31:24,770 there’s some links in the show notes and you can go to our website.
638 00:31:24,770 –> 00:31:26,380 We’ve also got a Facebook group.
639 00:31:26,390 –> 00:31:27,900 I’m at least a podcast.
640 00:31:27,900 –> 00:31:28,270 Jen,
641 00:31:28,270 –> 00:31:30,310 you are really truly.
642 00:31:30,400 –> 00:31:33,850 And we’re also on instagram sometimes on YouTube.
643 00:31:33,860 –> 00:31:34,680 You never know.
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644 00:31:34,690 –> 00:31:35,720 Send us an email.
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645 00:31:35,720 –> 00:31:38,110 We’ll reply if it’s a complaint,
646 00:31:38,300 –> 00:31:39,360 sent it to me.
647 00:31:39,840 –> 00:31:41,160 That’s right.
648 00:31:41,540 –> 00:31:42,620 Or one of our trolls.
649 00:31:42,630 –> 00:31:43,580 We’d love that.
650 00:31:43,670 –> 00:31:44,810 So thank you so much.
651 00:31:44,810 –> 00:31:45,850 It’s been a big week.
652 00:31:45,850 –> 00:31:48,600 We really appreciate your commitment to this story.
Who is Virginia Giuffre? Known worldwide as the girl in a photo with a royal, the mother-of-three wants to bring down the entire Epstein sex trafficking network.
And now she is coming for every single one of them.
Prince Andrew will face an unprecedented test in a New York court
As we know, the duke denies the allegations he sexually assaulted Ms Roberts Giuffre on three occasions in 2001.
He says it’s all lies, but what would happen if Prince Andrew came to New York for a hearing?
It might not happen; the royal might try to settle instead. But let’s think of the court of public opinion here. That’s clearly what Virginia’s lawyers have in mind and she says she does not want to settle.
Even so, would Prince Andrew ever be brave or foolhardy enough to go to America and risk potential arrest by the FBI or being led into a perjury trap being asked about his relationship with Maxwell and Epstein?
Who is Virginia Giuffre
This is the shocking true story of what happened when Ghislaine Maxwell recruited 16-year-old Virginia Roberts (as she was then known) into the Epstein trafficking network.
In her civil claim, she alleges Prince Andrew sexually abused her as a teenager on multiple occasions in London, Manhattan, and the US Virgin Islands in 2001 — allegations which he denies.
Ms Roberts was sexually abused by a family friend at the age of seven, which set off a pattern of more abuse, running away from home, foster care, and drug and alcohol abuse.
“Through that time they were asking me questions about who I was,” she said.
She added: ”They seemed like nice people so I trusted them, and I told them I’d had a really hard time in my life up until then – I’d been a runaway, I’d been sexually abused, physically abused… That was the worst thing I could have told them because now they knew how vulnerable I was.”
Ms Giuffre has said Epstein “passed me around like a platter of fruit” among his powerful friends and business partners, as she was taken across the globe on his private plane.
In March 2001, then aged 17, Maxwell and Epstein brought her to the United Kingdom and introduced her to the then-40-year-old Prince Andrew.
Who is Virginia Giuffre
“It was a really scary time in my life… I wasn’t chained to a sink, but these powerful people were my chains,” she told the BBC.
Ms Giuffre says the prince sexually abused her three times – at Maxwell’s London home and later at Epstein’s homes in New York City and Little St James in the Virgin Islands.
Ms Giuffre now lives in Australia with her husband, Robert, and their three children.
She has founded a non-profit organisation called Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR), aimed at “educating and advocating for victims of trafficking”.
Finally, the woman who was a once scared 17 year old girl allegedly trafficked to a prince, has all the power.
Prince Andrew Woes
We update you on the latest in the Duke of York’s drama, which seems to have been created by the Prince and the Prince alone.
Moreover, the public wants answers from him but he has been hiding behind his mother. This case won’t just go away quietly, ever. He is only just now starting to realise this new reality.
Prince Andrew continues to be locked in a vicious battle over claims he assaulted Ms Roberts Giuffre three times when she was aged 17.
The Epstein whistleblower alleges Maxwell and Epstein trafficked her to Prince Andrew.
This latest move in the ongoing saga comes after Ghislaine Maxwell was recently convicted of federal charges of conspiracy and sex trafficking involving minors.
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Who is Virginia Giuffre
Ms Roberts Giuffre is seeking unspecified damages from Prince Andrew for alleged sexual assault. The Duke of York has strenuously denied all allegations made against him.
This case will further embarrass Buckingham Palace and Queen Elizabeth II when it goes to trial.
This could be another blow to the monarchy, which is still reeling from the aftermath of Prince Andrew’s former friend Epstein’s suicide in jail in 2019.
The trial date has not yet been set, but it is expected to take place later this year.
In a bold legal move, the attorney for the royal argued before Manhattan Judge Lewis Kaplin that a recent extension to a passed New York State law was unconstitutional.
Attorney Andrew Brettler said it should be stricken down and he had served notice on the New York Attorney-General.
The fallout from the Epstein scandal has been going on since about 2010
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He stated the woman suing Prince Andrew Virginia Roberts Giuffre “took advantage” of extended statute of limitations, waiting 5 days before the deadline, which is “inherently unjust.”
According to victims attorney Lisa Bloom, it could also knock out the rights of other sex abuse survivors.
A former teenage sex slave, Ms Roberts Giuffre claims she was trafficked by dead pedophile Jeffrey Epstein when she was 17 years old. She was allegedly forced to have sexual relations with everyone from Prince Andrew, disgraced model agent Jean-Luc Brunel and Alan Dershowitz—a claim all men have vociferously denied.
Prince Andrew Paedo Case
At the center of this legal battle is a new law signed by New York Governor Andrew Cuomo that extended the statute of limitations for child sexual abuse cases.
The legislation was intended to give survivors more time to seek justice and also apply retroactively, which could allow people like Roberts who were abused as children more time to sue those responsible for their pain.
“He doesn’t just want to block Virginia’s access to justice. He wants to block ALL child sexual abuse victims’ access,” Ms Bloom wrote on Twitter.
She said: “Prince Andrew has now done a complete reversal of his prior position that he would fully cooperate with any investigation into sexual abuse in Epstein’s orbit…Oh please. She (Giuffre) filed before the deadline. That’s all that should matter.”
More from The Prince and the Pervert Podcast: Keep up to date with the latest twists and turns in this ongoing investigation. Find us on: Twitter: @lisapodcasts and @ohreallytruly.
Maxwell Found Guilty: From the throne room at Buckingham Palace to being found guilty of sex trafficking, it is an epic fall for British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.
The British socialite was accused of being financier Jeffrey Epstein’s co-conspirator. She denied all charges.
Maxwell Found Guilty
During the trial, the government alleged: “Ghislaine Maxwell made her own choices. She committed crimes hand in hand with Jeffrey Epstein. She was a grown woman who knew exactly what she was doing.”
The charges alleged the sexual exploitation of girls as young as 14.
According to ABC News: ”As the verdict was read, Maxwell appeared to show little reaction behind a black mask. She stood with her hands folded as the jury filed out, and glanced at her siblings as she herself was led from the courtroom.
During the trial, prosecutors called 24 witnesses to give jurors a picture of life inside Epstein’s homes — a subject of public fascination and speculation ever since his 2006 arrest in Florida in a child sex case.“
There were four women in court who testified about abuse as teenagers in the 1990s and early 2000s at Epstein’s homes in Florida, New York and New Mexico. One incident occurred in Maxwell’s townhome in London.
The women who spent years fighting in courts to hold the multimillionaire Maxwell accountable have spent decades fighting for justice.
The guilty verdicts in Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial represent the culmination of prolonged and dramatic disgrace for a woman who once roamed the world amid lavish homes.
As well, she networked with actors, billionaires, politicians and royals.
Moreover, the Manhattan courtroom verdict could also herald the beginning of a new chapter in the #MeToo movement.
Maxwell Found Guilty
Watch this space: Maxwell quoted in an interview in The Philadelphia Daily News, early 1990s.
Sex offenders cannot assume they will not be prosecuted and they must now the possibility of being dragged to court and jailed for life.
Transcript: The Epic Fall of Ghislaine Maxwell: The Prince and the Pervert Podcast
A global criminal conspiracy, a jailed socialite and a billionaire, who may or may not have been murdered. Welcome to the world of the Jeffrey Epstein, the Prince and the Pervert Podcast. Journalists Lisa and Jen bring you the ultimate deep dive.
My soul yearned for justice for years, and today the jury gave me just that. I will remember this day, always having lived with the horrors of Maxwell’s abuse. My heart goes out to the many other girls and young women who suffered at her hands and whose life she destroyed. I hope that today is not the end, but rather another step in justice being served. Maxwell did not act alone. Others must be held accountable. I have faith that they will be.
My soul yearned for justice for year and today the jury gave me just that. I will remember this day, always having lived with the horrors of Maxwell’s abuse. My heart goes out to the many other girls and young women who suffered at her hands and whose life she destroyed. I hope that today is not the end, but rather another step in justice being served. Maxwell did not act alone. Others must be held accountable. I have faith that they will be.
Virginia Giuffre
Maxwell Found Guilty Hello, My name is Lisa.
19 00:00:59,170 –> 00:01:01,930 Welcome to the Prince and the pervert podcast.
20 00:01:01,940 –> 00:01:06,630 Joining me today on this amazing day is my co host,
21 00:01:06,630 –> 00:01:07,600 Jen Tarran
22 00:01:07,600 –> 00:01:13,920 and we are both journalists who’ve been following the Jeffrey Epstein criminal conspiracy for more than two years.
23 00:01:13,930 –> 00:01:14,620 Hello,
24 00:01:14,620 –> 00:01:15,150 Jen.
25 00:01:15,740 –> 00:01:17,490 I’m sorry if I sound a bit tired.
26 00:01:17,500 –> 00:01:22,850 Of course I did the full overnight shift and just got into bed when Lisa rang to say,
27 00:01:22,860 –> 00:01:24,210 I’ve just had the tip off.
28 00:01:24,220 –> 00:01:25,820 The jury is coming back in.
29 00:01:25,830 –> 00:01:27,180 It was quite unexpected.
30 00:01:27,180 –> 00:01:28,610 It’s been a long process,
31 00:01:28,610 –> 00:01:30,760 but they wanted to make sure they got it right.
32 00:01:31,040 –> 00:01:41,990 Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of sex trafficking for Jeffrey Epstein and from the throne room at Buckingham Palace to being found guilty of sex trafficking.
33 00:01:42,000 –> 00:01:42,410 Jan.
34 00:01:42,410 –> 00:01:46,850 It’s certainly been an epic fall for the British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.
35 00:01:47,340 –> 00:01:53,250 She was found guilty on five of the six charges that she faced trial for.
36 00:01:53,740 –> 00:01:54,760 It’s a brilliant,
37 00:01:54,770 –> 00:01:56,160 brilliant result.
38 00:01:56,170 –> 00:01:57,790 Absolutely it is.
39 00:01:57,790 –> 00:01:59,500 But it’s just the beginning.
40 00:01:59,500 –> 00:02:05,020 We have Prince Andrew in the spotlight early next month in his civil case with Virginia Giuffre,
41 00:02:05,110 –> 00:02:07,670 who is one of the whistleblowers in this case.
42 00:02:07,720 –> 00:02:08,120 Now,
43 00:02:08,130 –> 00:02:09,530 as part of this trial,
44 00:02:09,540 –> 00:02:18,550 none of the witnesses for the government were offered any plea deals to those who came forward for the prosecution as witnesses.
45 00:02:18,700 –> 00:02:21,880 I’m not saying there will be extra charges,
46 00:02:22,060 –> 00:02:24,770 but we assume there will be well.
47 00:02:24,770 –> 00:02:31,430 Virginia said in her statement that she is hopeful justice will be done in the future because don’t forget,
48 00:02:31,440 –> 00:02:32,450 there’s Prince Andrew.
49 00:02:32,460 –> 00:02:36,970 There’s also a civil case of Virginia has brought against Alan Dershowitz,
50 00:02:36,980 –> 00:02:38,460 the Harvard law professor.
51 00:02:39,140 –> 00:02:40,660 This is more than a win.
52 00:02:41,340 –> 00:02:48,980 This is confirmation and validation of these survivor stories of what they went through over the years,
53 00:02:48,990 –> 00:02:50,790 when people call them fantasies.
54 00:02:50,820 –> 00:02:56,750 When people dismiss them as money grubbing whatever which was aligned the defence took,
55 00:02:56,750 –> 00:02:57,720 that was for sure.
56 00:02:57,840 –> 00:02:59,710 It’s given them validation.
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57 00:02:59,720 –> 00:03:02,190 These things did happen to them.
58 00:03:02,440 –> 00:03:07,100 I have a statement here from the Department of Justice from the Southern District of New York,
59 00:03:07,110 –> 00:03:10,980 and we have U S attorney Damien Williams on the verdict,
60 00:03:10,990 –> 00:03:11,630 he said.
61 00:03:11,640 –> 00:03:17,310 A unanimous jury has found Ghislaine Maxwell guilty of one of the worst crimes imaginable.
62 00:03:17,420 –> 00:03:21,360 Facilitating and participating in the sexual abuse of Children,
63 00:03:21,360 –> 00:03:25,330 crimes that she committed with her longtime partner and co conspirator,
64 00:03:25,330 –> 00:03:26,470 Jeffrey Epstein.
65 00:03:26,480 –> 00:03:29,680 The road to justice has been far too long now,
66 00:03:29,680 –> 00:03:30,000 Jen.
67 00:03:30,000 –> 00:03:39,460 That’s what you were saying because some of these girls were called prostitutes by their own government back in the days of Epstein’s plea deal in 2000 and eight.
68 00:03:39,840 –> 00:03:40,600 That’s right.
69 00:03:40,610 –> 00:03:42,760 They’ve had a formal apology since,
70 00:03:42,770 –> 00:03:48,010 but that word has been used in headlines around the world now,
71 00:03:48,010 –> 00:03:51,430 Damien Williams says I want to commend the bravery of the girls,
72 00:03:51,440 –> 00:03:55,750 now grown women who stepped out of the shadows and into the courtroom.
73 00:03:55,760 –> 00:03:59,670 Now I cannot imagine what they went through on that stand,
74 00:03:59,680 –> 00:04:05,020 considering there were two particular lawyers for Ghislaine Maxwell who absolutely hammered them.
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75 00:04:05,030 –> 00:04:06,590 I know it was their job,
76 00:04:06,600 –> 00:04:09,130 but it was an extremely poor taste.
77 00:04:09,230 –> 00:04:10,270 Interestingly,
78 00:04:10,270 –> 00:04:10,600 Jen,
79 00:04:10,600 –> 00:04:14,370 those two lawyers had nothing to say for themselves this afternoon,
80 00:04:14,620 –> 00:04:19,810 and those two lawyers consistently docks these victims.
81 00:04:19,820 –> 00:04:21,650 They used real names and,
82 00:04:21,650 –> 00:04:22,420 in one case,
83 00:04:22,420 –> 00:04:24,610 one of Ghislaine’s legal team.
84 00:04:24,610 –> 00:04:27,040 Jeffrey Pagilucia to or Pag,
85 00:04:27,040 –> 00:04:28,560 as I prefer to call him,
86 00:04:28,640 –> 00:04:31,510 was warned about using a real name,
87 00:04:31,520 –> 00:04:36,160 and the next sentence out of his mouth was yet another real name.
88 00:04:36,170 –> 00:04:41,750 He didn’t show any respect to these women or the witnesses who were using a pseudonym.
89 00:04:42,140 –> 00:04:42,400 Yes,
90 00:04:42,400 –> 00:04:44,210 you’re bringing up an excellent point there,
91 00:04:44,210 –> 00:04:44,610 Jen,
92 00:04:44,620 –> 00:04:48,660 because I think society has moved ahead of some people in the legal profession.
93 00:04:48,670 –> 00:04:50,800 Another of Ghislaine’s lawyers,
94 00:04:50,810 –> 00:04:51,440 Laura Meningher ,
95 00:04:51,440 –> 00:04:51,890 injure.
96 00:04:51,900 –> 00:05:03,490 She was described to the first survivor Jane as a C bomb because she hammered and hammered and hammered her so they’ll be back.
97 00:05:03,490 –> 00:05:06,750 He has been with Ghislaine for a very long time,
98 00:05:07,240 –> 00:05:08,420 as has Manager.
99 00:05:08,430 –> 00:05:18,010 They both were involved in the Civil Defamation suit that Virginia Giuffre A brought against Maxwell back in 2000 and 15.
101 00:05:19,560 –> 00:05:21,330 I’m glad they’ve shut up for once.
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102 00:05:21,570 –> 00:05:22,960 It’s about time,
103 00:05:23,040 –> 00:05:24,980 so they look quite disappointed,
104 00:05:24,980 –> 00:05:27,960 according to Josie Ensor of The Telegraph.
105 00:05:28,840 –> 00:05:29,120 Well,
106 00:05:29,120 –> 00:05:32,030 so did Maxwell when the jury was brought back in.
107 00:05:32,040 –> 00:05:36,280 And I’m compiling what happened in the courtroom from various sources,
108 00:05:36,290 –> 00:05:38,080 including Josie Julie K.
109 00:05:38,080 –> 00:05:38,870 Brown,
110 00:05:38,880 –> 00:05:41,490 the wonderful Matthew from Inner City Press as well.
111 00:05:41,500 –> 00:05:43,560 When the jury filed in,
112 00:05:43,570 –> 00:05:46,890 Maxwell did not look at them when they had to stand up.
113 00:05:46,890 –> 00:05:48,080 She was a bit shaky.
114 00:05:48,090 –> 00:05:49,660 She was sipping on water,
115 00:05:49,740 –> 00:05:50,490 and then,
116 00:05:50,500 –> 00:05:53,120 when the verdict was finally read out,
117 00:05:53,130 –> 00:05:53,980 she didn’t cry.
118 00:05:53,980 –> 00:05:54,990 There were no tears,
119 00:05:54,990 –> 00:05:57,470 but she slumped in her seat,
120 00:05:57,530 –> 00:05:59,040 and then Bobby Sternheim.
121 00:05:59,110 –> 00:06:04,710 One of her other long term lawyers put an arm around her shoulder as she was sent out the room.
122 00:06:04,720 –> 00:06:07,590 I’ve also heard that Bobby didn’t look too good.
123 00:06:07,600 –> 00:06:09,860 Neither did Leah Saffian,
124 00:06:09,940 –> 00:06:13,850 who isn’t one of the legal defence team.
125 00:06:13,860 –> 00:06:16,360 It was there every day.
126 00:06:16,370 –> 00:06:25,500 Now she was one of the lawyers who helped Ghislaine’s brothers when they were in all that financial trouble in the UK following their father’s fraudulent activities.
127 00:06:25,510 –> 00:06:27,550 Now this is all on our website,
128 00:06:27,740 –> 00:06:29,650 and if it’s the first time you’ve listened,
130 00:06:32,930 –> 00:06:47,720 It’s all there certainly is now Leah Saffian and was also involved in setting up that Come and Get Me or Come and Find Me photo at the in and out Burger Joint in LA just after Jeffrey Epstein died in custody.
131 00:06:47,730 –> 00:06:48,060 Yes,
132 00:06:48,060 –> 00:06:48,710 that’s right.
133 00:06:48,710 –> 00:06:53,860 Dylan was in that photo at In and Out Burger with a book about spying in the CIA.
134 00:06:53,870 –> 00:06:56,240 They think they’re so much smarter than everyone else,
135 00:06:56,240 –> 00:06:56,850 don’t they?
136 00:06:57,140 –> 00:07:01,010 There’s been a lot of conjecture about why Leah is in there.
137 00:07:01,020 –> 00:07:13,960 She was even there on the charging Saturday when the government and the defence teams joined with the judge to hammer out the charge sheet that will be read to the jury Before they went into deliberations.
138 00:07:14,640 –> 00:07:16,880 She was constantly on her phone.
139 00:07:16,890 –> 00:07:19,830 She was sitting with the defence on her phone.
140 00:07:19,920 –> 00:07:23,430 She hadn’t been docketed as part of her defence team,
141 00:07:23,430 –> 00:07:26,760 so there are a lot of questions about why she was there,
142 00:07:26,770 –> 00:07:28,900 why she was so close to Ghislaine,
143 00:07:28,910 –> 00:07:34,760 why she was showing her phone to Ghislaine and other family members during the trial.
144 00:07:35,440 –> 00:07:45,220 It’s my belief that she was looking at the social media trying to gauge the perception out there and that she is already working on the appeal.
145 00:07:45,230 –> 00:07:51,360 And I believe it will centre that the jury weren’t given correct instructions by the judge,
146 00:07:51,370 –> 00:07:56,900 which will go down rather well with Judge Nathan and also media interference.
147 00:07:56,910 –> 00:07:58,610 Interesting that you say that,
148 00:07:58,610 –> 00:07:58,820 Jen,
149 00:07:58,820 –> 00:08:01,620 because there was a statement by Maxwell’s family.
150 00:08:01,630 –> 00:08:04,050 We believe firmly in our sister’s innocence,
151 00:08:04,050 –> 00:08:06,110 and we are very disappointed with the verdict.
152 00:08:06,120 –> 00:08:08,220 We have already started the appeal tonight,
153 00:08:08,220 –> 00:08:11,600 and we believe that she will ultimately be vindicated.
154 00:08:11,610 –> 00:08:12,860 Oh bugger off,
155 00:08:13,040 –> 00:08:13,990 insufferable.
156 00:08:13,990 –> 00:08:15,650 That is so insufferable.
157 00:08:15,740 –> 00:08:17,950 But it’s also imperious as well.
158 00:08:17,960 –> 00:08:19,040 Absolutely,
159 00:08:19,050 –> 00:08:19,550 really.
160 00:08:19,940 –> 00:08:22,060 Oh triggers my anger.
161 00:08:22,070 –> 00:08:22,790 Okay,
162 00:08:22,800 –> 00:08:24,220 now the verdict.
163 00:08:24,230 –> 00:08:26,550 She was found guilty on Count one,
164 00:08:26,550 –> 00:08:37,960 which was conspiracy to entice individuals under the age of 17 to travel in interstate commerce with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
165 00:08:38,340 –> 00:08:38,960 Guilty,
166 00:08:39,940 –> 00:08:52,560 I’m going to skip to count three conspiracy to transport individuals under the age of 17 to travel in interstate commerce with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
167 00:08:53,140 –> 00:08:59,300 Guilty count for transportation of an individual under the age of 17.
168 00:08:59,360 –> 00:08:59,950 Jane.
169 00:08:59,960 –> 00:09:04,190 Only with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
170 00:09:04,430 –> 00:09:06,270 Guilty count.
171 00:09:06,270 –> 00:09:06,890 Five.
172 00:09:06,900 –> 00:09:11,960 Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of individuals under the age of 18.
173 00:09:12,540 –> 00:09:14,000 Guilty count.
174 00:09:14,000 –> 00:09:14,630 Six.
175 00:09:14,840 –> 00:09:19,050 Sex trafficking of an individual under the age of 18.
176 00:09:19,080 –> 00:09:21,490 Caroline only guilty.
177 00:09:21,730 –> 00:09:23,170 Now that’s the big one.
178 00:09:23,440 –> 00:09:28,200 That count alone carries a maximum of 40 years in prison.
179 00:09:28,330 –> 00:09:32,340 The only count she wasn’t found guilty on was count,
180 00:09:32,350 –> 00:09:37,230 too enticement of an individual under the age of 17.
181 00:09:37,240 –> 00:09:38,020 Jane.
182 00:09:38,030 –> 00:09:46,360 Only now that was the first survivor to travel with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
183 00:09:47,140 –> 00:09:52,210 So even though count to she was found not guilty and that was to do with J,
184 00:09:52,220 –> 00:09:57,660 she was found guilty of the other count to do with just J.
185 00:09:58,040 –> 00:10:00,460 So Jane has been vindicated in this.
186 00:10:01,540 –> 00:10:09,050 Now the various news organisations have already hit saying anywhere between 30 years in jail to 50 years in jail.
187 00:10:09,060 –> 00:10:11,330 But we won’t know until sentencing,
188 00:10:11,340 –> 00:10:13,660 which could be three or four months time.
189 00:10:13,670 –> 00:10:14,650 We’re not sure yet,
190 00:10:15,740 –> 00:10:16,300 however,
191 00:10:16,300 –> 00:10:17,850 at the age of 60.
192 00:10:17,860 –> 00:10:21,650 Even a 20 year sentence equates to life,
193 00:10:22,140 –> 00:10:24,970 and she deserves it now.
194 00:10:24,970 –> 00:10:28,550 During the trial itself and the jury deliberations,
195 00:10:28,720 –> 00:10:32,260 there was a bit of cockiness coming from Dylan Maxwell’s defence team,
196 00:10:32,640 –> 00:10:37,320 especially when the jury started asking for transcripts from the pilots,
200 00:10:41,540 –> 00:10:51,530 They seemed to believe that that meant that the jury was questioning everything the survivors had said and what the government witnesses had said.
201 00:10:51,540 –> 00:10:53,340 But that didn’t mean that at all.
202 00:10:53,350 –> 00:10:55,760 That meant that the jury was doing their job.
203 00:10:56,240 –> 00:10:57,640 They were drilling down.
204 00:10:57,650 –> 00:11:07,320 They were talking it through because the last thing these people who sat through this horrendous court case would want is for the whole thing to be a mistrial.
205 00:11:07,330 –> 00:11:08,340 They did their job.
206 00:11:08,350 –> 00:11:09,530 They did it correctly.
207 00:11:09,770 –> 00:11:12,600 But you could tell even today the gallon.
208 00:11:12,600 –> 00:11:14,860 Maxwell’s team thought they had it in the bag.
209 00:11:15,440 –> 00:11:25,960 Leah Saffain was talking to an ABC American producer for about five minutes and then slid them over to talk to Gullane herself.
210 00:11:26,640 –> 00:11:29,230 That was about a minute or so conversation,
211 00:11:29,240 –> 00:11:38,050 but you could tell straight away they were trying to set up interviews because they honestly believe she’d get off different to Australia.
212 00:11:38,060 –> 00:11:40,080 I think they can still do interviews,
213 00:11:40,080 –> 00:11:41,150 even if you’re in prison.
214 00:11:41,150 –> 00:11:41,640 Gen.
215 00:11:41,650 –> 00:11:42,160 Yes,
216 00:11:42,160 –> 00:11:45,890 but I don’t think that was the style of interview they were setting up.
217 00:11:45,900 –> 00:11:46,420 No,
218 00:11:46,420 –> 00:11:46,940 they may have,
219 00:11:46,940 –> 00:11:48,300 perhaps wanted a hotel.
220 00:11:48,300 –> 00:11:48,870 Remember?
221 00:11:48,880 –> 00:11:52,220 They had a five star hotel picked for Ghislaine if she got bail.
222 00:11:52,360 –> 00:11:52,690 Oh,
223 00:11:52,690 –> 00:11:53,630 that’s right.
224 00:11:53,640 –> 00:11:54,700 They may go there.
225 00:11:54,710 –> 00:11:58,850 Would they go to Scott Borges and her estranged spouses mansion?
226 00:11:59,140 –> 00:11:59,650 Maybe.
227 00:12:00,040 –> 00:12:00,220 Well,
228 00:12:00,220 –> 00:12:01,420 that’s the other thing.
229 00:12:01,430 –> 00:12:05,230 How much has she spent so far on her defence?
230 00:12:05,410 –> 00:12:06,930 And then you’ve got the appeal.
231 00:12:06,940 –> 00:12:08,400 Now she and Scott got married,
232 00:12:08,400 –> 00:12:11,010 apparently in 2000 and 16.
233 00:12:11,020 –> 00:12:14,350 He has control of all her money in a family trust.
234 00:12:15,740 –> 00:12:17,210 The divorce is coming.
235 00:12:17,220 –> 00:12:22,150 I’m not quite sure what the breaking up the assets is like in America,
236 00:12:22,150 –> 00:12:23,770 but after five or six years,
237 00:12:23,770 –> 00:12:25,390 here it’s a half and half.
238 00:12:25,390 –> 00:12:26,600 Possibly more.
239 00:12:26,610 –> 00:12:28,520 If somebody is left with the kids,
240 00:12:28,520 –> 00:12:29,260 so to speak,
241 00:12:30,040 –> 00:12:31,700 he can walk away with half her money.
242 00:12:31,710 –> 00:12:33,710 She may not have cash left.
243 00:12:33,720 –> 00:12:34,060 Well,
244 00:12:34,060 –> 00:12:45,890 cash that we know of exactly because Epstein apparently gave her $30 million and we’ve been told her ex boyfriend Ted wait gave her $20 million when they broke up,
245 00:12:45,900 –> 00:12:49,060 and I’ve only seen accounting for 27 million.
246 00:12:49,640 –> 00:12:54,280 That was when I was going to say and board can walk off with half of it straight away.
247 00:12:54,280 –> 00:13:01,960 So she hasn’t got that much left for appeals unless Ian is going to fork out to keep that family surname clean.
248 00:13:03,040 –> 00:13:03,480 Oh,
249 00:13:03,480 –> 00:13:05,520 how the tables have turned to Jen.
250 00:13:05,860 –> 00:13:06,940 And in the past,
251 00:13:06,940 –> 00:13:09,550 the Maxwells have been found not guilty.
252 00:13:10,440 –> 00:13:12,360 This is a new development for them.
253 00:13:13,140 –> 00:13:14,460 They don’t know what to do.
254 00:13:14,940 –> 00:13:15,710 No,
255 00:13:15,720 –> 00:13:18,070 they’re probably licking their wounds tonight.
256 00:13:18,090 –> 00:13:19,410 I’ll give you some advice,
257 00:13:19,410 –> 00:13:19,730 guys.
258 00:13:19,730 –> 00:13:20,960 Get on with your life.
259 00:13:21,340 –> 00:13:26,560 Don’t get tied up in that Life is too short to get tied up in knots over these appeals.
260 00:13:27,540 –> 00:13:27,770 Now,
261 00:13:27,770 –> 00:13:28,470 of course,
262 00:13:28,480 –> 00:13:32,160 this would spell utter disaster for Prince Andrew.
263 00:13:32,220 –> 00:13:32,570 Oh,
264 00:13:32,580 –> 00:13:33,130 really,
265 00:13:33,130 –> 00:13:33,710 Jen.
266 00:13:33,720 –> 00:13:34,070 Oh,
267 00:13:34,080 –> 00:13:34,580 well,
268 00:13:34,590 –> 00:13:37,290 they’ve got a phone hook up on January four.
269 00:13:37,300 –> 00:13:37,760 Yes,
270 00:13:37,760 –> 00:13:39,950 and we will be following Prince Andrew.
271 00:13:39,960 –> 00:13:40,410 Yes,
272 00:13:40,410 –> 00:13:41,250 we will.
273 00:13:41,480 –> 00:13:43,160 And then there’s Dersh as well.
274 00:13:43,340 –> 00:13:43,610 Yes,
275 00:13:43,610 –> 00:13:44,490 Alan Dershowitz.
276 00:13:44,490 –> 00:13:47,920 He is Martha’s Vineyard’s number one nude volleyballer,
277 00:13:47,930 –> 00:13:49,880 but he was also Epstein’s lawyer,
278 00:13:49,890 –> 00:13:50,990 Trump’s lawyer,
279 00:13:51,170 –> 00:13:52,160 OJ’s lawyer.
280 00:13:52,370 –> 00:13:57,590 Now he’s already been on the BBC banging on about the verdict.
281 00:13:57,600 –> 00:14:01,010 He wouldn’t answer any questions about Ghislaine,
282 00:14:01,070 –> 00:14:04,200 but he used the time to attack Virginia Jew free,
283 00:14:04,340 –> 00:14:07,660 saying that she should be up on the same charges that Ghislaine was.
284 00:14:08,240 –> 00:14:08,800 Of course,
285 00:14:08,800 –> 00:14:10,010 it seems,
286 00:14:10,190 –> 00:14:12,860 according to people who watched the segment,
287 00:14:12,890 –> 00:14:16,580 that he didn’t point out his conflict of interest,
288 00:14:16,730 –> 00:14:23,150 one that he was Epstein’s lawyer and that Virginia Giuffre has brought a civil suit against him for defamation.
289 00:14:23,420 –> 00:14:24,350 He forgot about that.
290 00:14:24,740 –> 00:14:25,360 Plus,
291 00:14:25,370 –> 00:14:29,190 according to something he put on the docket in that civil case,
292 00:14:29,200 –> 00:14:30,470 he’s on his deathbed.
293 00:14:30,470 –> 00:14:35,900 He’s dying and doesn’t believe he will be there to see the outcome of his civil case.
294 00:14:35,930 –> 00:14:37,960 But he can go into all these interviews.
295 00:14:37,960 –> 00:14:39,410 So he’s been on BBC.
296 00:14:39,420 –> 00:14:40,100 Supposedly,
297 00:14:40,100 –> 00:14:44,560 he went on another big Q flavoured podcast as well.
298 00:14:44,840 –> 00:14:48,870 And he had his minion put out today an attack on Virginia as well.
299 00:14:48,870 –> 00:14:52,180 And I just thought anyone who claims to be a journalist would know.
300 00:14:52,180 –> 00:14:55,750 Today is not the day for another element of this story.
301 00:14:55,760 –> 00:14:56,840 Everyone is busy.
302 00:14:56,850 –> 00:14:58,570 No one will see what you’ve written.
303 00:14:58,570 –> 00:15:02,930 I’m sorry you just got thrown out with the trash and the trash.
304 00:15:02,940 –> 00:15:04,860 Today is delay Maxwell.
305 00:15:05,540 –> 00:15:06,950 Absolutely.
306 00:15:06,960 –> 00:15:11,430 She has certainly come a long way from arrests from the helicopters,
307 00:15:11,430 –> 00:15:16,770 from the yachts from being lady of the House chin because the tables have turned.
308 00:15:16,830 –> 00:15:17,620 And for once,
309 00:15:17,620 –> 00:15:18,890 we’re there to see it.
310 00:15:19,100 –> 00:15:20,060 It’s so good.
311 00:15:20,640 –> 00:15:21,710 It is so good.
312 00:15:21,720 –> 00:15:29,550 I can’t comprehend how I know how excited we were and how relieved and then stunned and teary when the verdict came down.
313 00:15:29,560 –> 00:15:31,760 Imagine what the survivors are going through.
314 00:15:32,140 –> 00:15:36,630 Those women have displayed so much strength.
315 00:15:36,640 –> 00:15:45,160 And I want to say congratulations and hopefully this will be a new era for you because you are believed you are.
316 00:15:45,540 –> 00:15:47,060 These women matter.
317 00:15:47,640 –> 00:15:50,910 That’s why we did this podcast Jen more than two years ago.
318 00:15:50,920 –> 00:15:52,830 This is a massive development,
319 00:15:52,840 –> 00:16:01,570 and I want to say congratulations to the government in how they ran because that was the best set of charges to lay.
320 00:16:01,580 –> 00:16:03,890 There was a lot of chest thumping going on.
321 00:16:03,890 –> 00:16:04,570 It was bad.
322 00:16:04,570 –> 00:16:05,490 It wasn’t good enough.
323 00:16:05,490 –> 00:16:06,530 They did a bad job.
324 00:16:06,540 –> 00:16:06,930 No,
325 00:16:06,940 –> 00:16:10,970 within the structure of the laws that are written that they had to abide by.
326 00:16:10,980 –> 00:16:14,120 That was the best set of charges to bring against L.
327 00:16:14,120 –> 00:16:14,210 A.
328 00:16:14,210 –> 00:16:14,850 Maxwell,
329 00:16:15,640 –> 00:16:18,950 and she will now be out of her remand facility.
330 00:16:18,950 –> 00:16:19,570 Prison.
331 00:16:19,720 –> 00:16:22,450 She’ll now go into what they call club Fed.
332 00:16:22,510 –> 00:16:24,580 I don’t know if you’re going to get your vegan food there,
333 00:16:24,580 –> 00:16:24,980 either.
334 00:16:24,980 –> 00:16:25,620 Ghislaine.
335 00:16:25,630 –> 00:16:30,330 We shall see many people think this is the end of this saga.
336 00:16:30,340 –> 00:16:30,850 No,
337 00:16:30,860 –> 00:16:33,060 it’s just the beginning.
338 00:16:33,640 –> 00:16:36,440 There are so many avenues that we need to chase down.
339 00:16:36,440 –> 00:16:40,450 There are so many other enablers that need to be chased down.
340 00:16:40,540 –> 00:16:41,080 Yes,
341 00:16:41,080 –> 00:16:44,070 and they would be getting absolutely nervous tonight.
342 00:16:44,110 –> 00:16:44,550 Good.
343 00:16:44,740 –> 00:16:46,630 We should send a few emails.
344 00:16:46,840 –> 00:16:47,250 Yes,
345 00:16:47,250 –> 00:16:47,580 Jen,
346 00:16:47,590 –> 00:16:49,500 I love sending emails to people.
347 00:16:49,540 –> 00:16:50,220 Absolutely.
348 00:16:50,220 –> 00:16:52,360 Sarah Kellen Vickers might want one.
349 00:16:52,740 –> 00:16:53,570 Shut out.
350 00:16:53,940 –> 00:16:57,370 Nadia Marcinko might want one story.
352 00:16:59,630 –> 00:17:02,030 Kelly Bovino shout out.
353 00:17:02,210 –> 00:17:03,530 She might want one.
354 00:17:03,660 –> 00:17:07,860 And the Healy sisters Michelle Healy and Shannon Healy.
355 00:17:07,870 –> 00:17:08,380 Oh,
356 00:17:08,390 –> 00:17:15,190 Michele Tatum Now and also Dr Eva Andersson Dubin and her husband,
357 00:17:15,190 –> 00:17:16,060 Glenn Dubin.
358 00:17:17,240 –> 00:17:20,690 And there is also the case down in the Virgin Islands.
359 00:17:20,690 –> 00:17:22,340 Following the money.
360 00:17:22,350 –> 00:17:23,560 They’re doing a Seiko,
361 00:17:23,560 –> 00:17:28,270 which is their version of the American Rico racketeering charges,
362 00:17:28,740 –> 00:17:30,590 and they’ve been putting out subpoenas left,
363 00:17:30,590 –> 00:17:31,470 right and centre.
364 00:17:31,480 –> 00:17:33,510 Most of them have been ignored,
365 00:17:33,540 –> 00:17:35,060 but they’re doing good things.
366 00:17:36,040 –> 00:17:42,410 Darren Indyke was Jeffrey Epstein’s private lawyer for decades,
367 00:17:42,420 –> 00:17:44,100 and his financial advisor,
368 00:17:44,100 –> 00:17:44,910 Richard Kahn,
369 00:17:44,920 –> 00:17:56,100 who was seen walking out of the Epstein mansion with the Tiffany blue bag just a couple of days after he allegedly suicide ID or was murdered in prison.
370 00:17:56,110 –> 00:17:56,950 We’ll never know,
371 00:17:56,950 –> 00:17:57,560 will we?
372 00:17:57,700 –> 00:17:57,890 Well,
373 00:17:57,890 –> 00:17:58,780 they’ve been subpoenaed.
374 00:17:58,780 –> 00:17:58,980 Left,
375 00:17:58,980 –> 00:17:59,990 right and centre There.
376 00:17:59,990 –> 00:18:00,460 There.
377 00:18:02,740 –> 00:18:07,030 We’re going to crack open a bottle and have a bit of a daytime drink.
378 00:18:07,040 –> 00:18:11,350 But we will be back in a couple of days with something slightly longer,
379 00:18:11,380 –> 00:18:13,430 and I will be doing more of the transcripts.
380 00:18:13,440 –> 00:18:15,330 But unlike the defence lawyers,
381 00:18:15,340 –> 00:18:17,260 I will not be naming people.
382 00:18:17,640 –> 00:18:19,460 I will use pseudonyms.
383 00:18:20,340 –> 00:18:20,850 Yes,
384 00:18:21,440 –> 00:18:24,470 so thank you so much for joining us today.
385 00:18:24,480 –> 00:18:27,520 We’d also like to shout out to our patreon supporters.
386 00:18:27,530 –> 00:18:29,430 Thank you for being there.
387 00:18:29,440 –> 00:18:30,870 Some of you from very,
388 00:18:30,870 –> 00:18:31,960 very early on.
389 00:18:32,340 –> 00:18:34,060 And if you’d like to find me,
390 00:18:34,060 –> 00:18:35,580 I’m at least a podcast.
391 00:18:35,590 –> 00:18:37,110 Jen is at a really,
392 00:18:37,110 –> 00:18:39,010 truly were on Instagram.
393 00:18:39,020 –> 00:18:44,020 Come join us on Facebook and to the survivors.
394 00:18:44,030 –> 00:18:44,670 Thank you.
395 00:18:45,140 –> 00:18:48,050 Because you have helped us so much.
396 00:18:48,070 –> 00:18:52,050 And you are believed these women matter.
Maxwell Found Guilty
397 00:18:53,940 –> 00:18:54,250 Hi,
398 00:18:54,250 –> 00:18:55,510 it’s Lisa here.
399 00:18:55,530 –> 00:18:58,860 Do you want to help us produce the Prince and the pervert podcast.
400 00:18:59,340 –> 00:19:03,860 One of our kind listeners has been asking how they can support us.
401 00:19:03,870 –> 00:19:06,660 So we’ve started a patreon account,
402 00:19:06,870 –> 00:19:11,550 which not only benefits you in terms of extra content and exclusive content,
403 00:19:11,670 –> 00:19:14,390 it also helps us just cover our costs.
404 00:19:14,640 –> 00:19:15,690 At the end of the day,
405 00:19:15,690 –> 00:19:17,270 this is a labour of love,
406 00:19:17,640 –> 00:19:20,520 and we’re determined to follow the case until the end.
407 00:19:20,720 –> 00:19:22,940 These women absolutely matter.
408 00:19:22,950 –> 00:19:24,550 That’s why we’re doing this work.
409 00:19:24,560 –> 00:19:27,360 And we are all in this together.
410 00:19:28,040 –> 00:19:31,160 Details of the Patreon account are in the show notes.
